How to get on with Neurotypicals
Many are more than happy to form groups that discriminate against other "competitors".
"Nature of the beast."
What can you do?
Yes, and it's exaggerated now due to the information tidal wave and the internet isn't it. Tribes are becoming more vocal as there are so many billions of humans now. I've read that prehistoric tribes got on better because they rarely saw each other and so didn't fight over territory! The fewer humans there are, the better...it seems.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.
Many are more than happy to form groups that discriminate against other "competitors".
"Nature of the beast."
What can you do?
Yes, and it's exaggerated now due to the information tidal wave and the internet isn't it. Tribes are becoming more vocal as there are so many billions of humans now. I've read that prehistoric tribes got on better because they rarely saw each other and so didn't fight over territory! The fewer humans there are, the better...it seems.
Look on the bright side.
Humanity will no doubt be extinct in a billion years.

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Laughter is the best medicine.
"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...

Glory to Ukraine.

I'll hang around and wait for that then

Really though, as long as the Earth stays healthy for my daughter and her children to thrive and have good long lives, I'll be happy. So another 100 years of good life will be fine.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.
I’ve started this thread, mainly for myself so I can put all my observations in one place. Feel free to add to it! Sorry if these points are blatantly obvious, I just hope it helps some people, including myself.
• When talking with NTs, don’t listen carefully and respond to every point they make. Don’t ask them to explain what they mean. Just say ‘uh huh’ and carry on with what you want to say. They don’t like to be questioned and have everything they say responded to. A good conversation with them would be where you are talking at a tangent to them, partially related but not the same. Use a lot of ‘I think’ ‘I am’ ‘I believe’ statements. This is the opposite to the advice given by 'Communication Experts', because their advice doesn't work for autists.
• I've come to learn that NTs prioritise WHO is giving the advice or message, over WHAT the advice or message is. You can give the most sensible advice in the world but NTs won't listen if they don't like you or trust you or know you. They don't prioritise WHAT is actually in the message, they prioritise WHO the person is giving it. That's why very popular people can say ridiculous nonsense and it's slavishly followed. Whereas unpopular people like myself can give the most sensible and accurate advice and guidance, and it's completely ignored. This is the opposite of autists because we prioritise the actual message not the person giving it. I wonder if this is the core reason why autists and non-autists can't communicate: we prioritise the substance of the message and they prioritise who is giving the message.
Honestly, I think it's got absolutely nothing to do with autism so much as it does with confidence and authority. And unfortunately, much of the natural autistic body language screams anything but confidence and authority to NT folks. Granted, I'm not neurotypical, but I've literally played one on TV multiple times.
In all seriousness though, I do think a lot of it comes down to confidence and track record. People usually listen to me because I speak with confidence, refuse to repeat myself if somebody wasn't listening, and am usually on the right side of whatever is going on.
Then again, I mask like I've never masked before when I really need it to go through as my Rainman impression seems to instill a ton of mistrust in what I'm saying.
And some people are just so bought into whatever fool thing they're doing that there's not much you can do then just let them blow up whatever they're doing, then keep your mouth shut because nobody likes being told that you knew that was going to happen.
I’ve started this thread, mainly for myself so I can put all my observations in one place. Feel free to add to it! Sorry if these points are blatantly obvious, I just hope it helps some people, including myself.
• When talking with NTs, don’t listen carefully and respond to every point they make. Don’t ask them to explain what they mean. Just say ‘uh huh’ and carry on with what you want to say. They don’t like to be questioned and have everything they say responded to. A good conversation with them would be where you are talking at a tangent to them, partially related but not the same. Use a lot of ‘I think’ ‘I am’ ‘I believe’ statements. This is the opposite to the advice given by 'Communication Experts', because their advice doesn't work for autists.
• I've come to learn that NTs prioritise WHO is giving the advice or message, over WHAT the advice or message is. You can give the most sensible advice in the world but NTs won't listen if they don't like you or trust you or know you. They don't prioritise WHAT is actually in the message, they prioritise WHO the person is giving it. That's why very popular people can say ridiculous nonsense and it's slavishly followed. Whereas unpopular people like myself can give the most sensible and accurate advice and guidance, and it's completely ignored. This is the opposite of autists because we prioritise the actual message not the person giving it. I wonder if this is the core reason why autists and non-autists can't communicate: we prioritise the substance of the message and they prioritise who is giving the message.
Honestly, I think it's got absolutely nothing to do with autism so much as it does with confidence and authority. And unfortunately, much of the natural autistic body language screams anything but confidence and authority to NT folks. Granted, I'm not neurotypical, but I've literally played one on TV multiple times.
In all seriousness though, I do think a lot of it comes down to confidence and track record. People usually listen to me because I speak with confidence, refuse to repeat myself if somebody wasn't listening, and am usually on the right side of whatever is going on.
Then again, I mask like I've never masked before when I really need it to go through as my Rainman impression seems to instill a ton of mistrust in what I'm saying.
And some people are just so bought into whatever fool thing they're doing that there's not much you can do then just let them blow up whatever they're doing, then keep your mouth shut because nobody likes being told that you knew that was going to happen.
Nicely said...
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Laughter is the best medicine.
"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...

Glory to Ukraine.
I've given up on NT's this year.
They always love me at first, drama class and all those hours have made me a master at interacting with them, in small doses.
If they need something from me they'll put up with me because I have value to them, eventually they do an equation and realize I annoy them more than my value and I stop hearing from them.
I spent years and years trying to build social groups and have consistent friends but it's simply never worked out.
I'm 3 months into Isolation from Neurotypicald and it's been a world of difference in my mental health.
They are truly just not like me and any interaction with them is both mentally exhausting and honestly boring...
It's been lovely reading the posts here guys, feels like when I discovered autism tiktok and found out there were so many people like me none of us go outside much is all
And some people are just so bought into whatever fool thing they're doing that there's not much you can do then just let them blow up whatever they're doing, then keep your mouth shut because nobody likes being told that you knew that was going to happen.
I kind of agree. I find that at first people ignore me because of the body language thing, but eventually they piss me off and I bite back. I say something very cutting, or stand up for myself, or refuse point blank to do something, and they all stare at me open mouthed. 'So the little mouse has a sharp bite after all!'
That doesn't help me though, because then they all dislike me. At least, women don't like me doing that. Men tend to like it and relax more. Very odd.
That second bit is hilarious isn't it. I can see what is going to go wrong immediately, no one believes me, they blow it up in exactly the way I saw coming.
If I especially don't like them, I point this out coolly.

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I am here for interesting, meaningful discussions and thoughtful, rewarding conversations. I very quickly lose interest in long, drawn-out arguments.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.
They always love me at first, drama class and all those hours have made me a master at interacting with them, in small doses.
If they need something from me they'll put up with me because I have value to them, eventually they do an equation and realize I annoy them more than my value and I stop hearing from them.
I spent years and years trying to build social groups and have consistent friends but it's simply never worked out.
I'm 3 months into Isolation from Neurotypicald and it's been a world of difference in my mental health.
They are truly just not like me and any interaction with them is both mentally exhausting and honestly boring...
It's been lovely reading the posts here guys, feels like when I discovered autism tiktok and found out there were so many people like me none of us go outside much is all

That is so well put and sums me up too! Exactly, 100%. I am just not like NTs in any way. Chalk and cheese.
I do think NTs are getting worse though. The extreme capitalism of the West, plus the internet/information overload 24/7, media telling them what people 'should' be like and the polarisation of people into 'them' and 'us', are making them more narrow minded. They expect everyone to be perfect 24/7, they value money and individualism rather than people and community.
NTs and NDs are heading in different directions.
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I am here for interesting, meaningful discussions and thoughtful, rewarding conversations. I very quickly lose interest in long, drawn-out arguments.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.
I get what you mean when you say you feel they are changing. Social media has amplified their ability to be fake with each other the entire idea of clout is just insane to me.
Imagine living your life to relieve all your validation externally what a horrifying existence...
Chalk and cheese 100%
At a certain point I had to really ask myself, why do I even want attention from these people when literally almost every interaction for my entire life with them has been negative in some way or physically and mentally draining.
They always love me at first, drama class and all those hours have made me a master at interacting with them, in small doses.
If they need something from me they'll put up with me because I have value to them, eventually they do an equation and realize I annoy them more than my value and I stop hearing from them.
I spent years and years trying to build social groups and have consistent friends but it's simply never worked out.
I'm 3 months into Isolation from Neurotypicald and it's been a world of difference in my mental health.
They are truly just not like me and any interaction with them is both mentally exhausting and honestly boring...
It's been lovely reading the posts here guys, feels like when I discovered autism tiktok and found out there were so many people like me none of us go outside much is all

That is so well put and sums me up too! Exactly, 100%. I am just not like NTs in any way. Chalk and cheese.
I do think NTs are getting worse though. The extreme capitalism of the West, plus the internet/information overload 24/7, media telling them what people 'should' be like and the polarisation of people into 'them' and 'us', are making them more narrow minded. They expect everyone to be perfect 24/7, they value money and individualism rather than people and community.
NTs and NDs are heading in different directions.
It's rather odd as I detect that the majority of WP members are not into wokeness and that people need to accept social norms as they are. But I'm afraid you can't have it both ways. If you want to get on with NTs you also have to play their games. You can;t pick and choose what rules to change.
Yes...I'm a bit too old to play along with people 24/7 now. I've made a list of rules that might help me get by but I'll see how it goes. It's good that every post I make on WP helps me come to a conclusion.
It's quite reassuring that even NTs don't have it all their own way and sail through life though. What a strange world humans have made for ourselves, where everyone has to play a part instead of being themselves.
I'm pretty sure that's just being alive. Pretty much any organism that's complicated enough to have a central nervous system and congregates does the same thing.
They always love me at first, drama class and all those hours have made me a master at interacting with them, in small doses.
If they need something from me they'll put up with me because I have value to them, eventually they do an equation and realize I annoy them more than my value and I stop hearing from them.
This is common "across the board".
I'm 3 months into Isolation from Neurotypicald and it's been a world of difference in my mental health.
For younger ppl who need more life experience, I don't recommend isolation.
For older ppl, it is a "godsend" to be a recluse.
My grandpappy skunk used to say:
"Most pain comes from other ppl...
Reason would suggest avoiding most ppl."
Smart old bugger.

I think most ppl on the spectrum find "chit-chat" uninteresting.

Don't speak too soon.
You haven't met EVERYBODY.

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Laughter is the best medicine.
"A stranger is a friend gang-stalker you haven't met yet."
Truth may be inconvenient but it is never politically incorrect...The Oracle of Truth has spoken...

Glory to Ukraine.
Yep. Tell that to the world, politicians and social media. They are setting us all up to be envious of each other and it won't end well...
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I am here for interesting, meaningful discussions and thoughtful, rewarding conversations. I very quickly lose interest in long, drawn-out arguments.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.
Imagine living your life to relieve all your validation externally what a horrifying existence...
Chalk and cheese 100%
At a certain point I had to really ask myself, why do I even want attention from these people when literally almost every interaction for my entire life with them has been negative in some way or physically and mentally draining.
I totally agree with you. A guy online (not social media) said this:
It's possible we took a wrong turn somewhere when we started focusing on metrics in our everyday life.
It's ok to do something just because you want to, or because it brings you personal joy / fulfillment / satisfaction.
It's ok if no one sees it. It's ok if no one knows about it.
He is correct. We should stop measuring these things and just live life for the fun of it. Not because we want to be 'influencers'.
I do that with my fanfic now. Many people write fanfic hoping the actual actors will read it and comment or whatever. I was horrified when I found that actors read fanfic. So now my own fics are tagged so eccentrically that few people will find them. I write them for myself. I laughed so much at one I wrote yesterday I gave myself a tummy ache.

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I am here for interesting, meaningful discussions and thoughtful, rewarding conversations. I very quickly lose interest in long, drawn-out arguments.
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I'm sorry if I get you mixed up with other people, I'm not good at telling people apart. Just remind me of our last conversation then I'll know who you are.