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Did Jesus really exist?
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19 Feb 2014, 12:09 pm

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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


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19 Feb 2014, 1:01 pm

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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.



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19 Feb 2014, 1:07 pm

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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


What's the point? He gave the world the savior of all mankind and, whoops, forgot about the massive number of people currently writing about trickster coyotes and domestic violence between the moon and sun.

On a mostly unrelated note, I've read a lot of Native American lore and it's actually really creative and entertaining. There's a lot of Native American comedy actually, and a lot of it involves the aforementioned coyote character.



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19 Feb 2014, 1:07 pm

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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.

When Jesus says spread my word to a bunch of Roman era Jews and Gentiles, he is telling them to do it.

Why would God ask us to spread the word if he wanted to do it himself?

There are Christians all over the world anyways.

God isn't asking you for advice, why don't you ask him theses questions instead of me.


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19 Feb 2014, 1:11 pm

appletheclown wrote:
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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.

When Jesus says spread my word to a bunch of Roman era Jews and Gentiles, he is telling them to do it.

Why would God ask us to spread the word if he wanted to do it himself?

There are Christians all over the world anyways.

God isn't asking you for advice, why don't you ask him theses questions instead of me.


Actually yes, religion is basically entirely geographical. It's a lot less so now than in the Bronze Ages, but there are still a handful of uncontacted tribes that don't really know about the modern world. As a matter of fact, there was an island tribe that was once visited by a white man in a plane who gave them some food. They began to worship cargo planes and made their own airport in the hopes that the man will return one day with more supplies for them.



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19 Feb 2014, 1:11 pm

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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


What's the point? He gave the world the savior of all mankind and, whoops, forgot about the massive number of people currently writing about trickster coyotes and domestic violence between the moon and sun.

On a mostly unrelated note, I've read a lot of Native American lore and it's actually really creative and entertaining. There's a lot of Native American comedy actually, and a lot of it involves the aforementioned coyote character.


Are you Native American? My great grand mother was.

The tale of the Thunderbird is a much more impressive tale. Or the windigo, or the Native American Bigfoot.

Thunderbird, one flap of its wings, boom, the universe dies. Such power.


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19 Feb 2014, 1:13 pm

appletheclown wrote:
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Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


What's the point? He gave the world the savior of all mankind and, whoops, forgot about the massive number of people currently writing about trickster coyotes and domestic violence between the moon and sun.

On a mostly unrelated note, I've read a lot of Native American lore and it's actually really creative and entertaining. There's a lot of Native American comedy actually, and a lot of it involves the aforementioned coyote character.


Are you Native American? My great grand mother was.

The tale of the Thunderbird is a much more impressive tale. Or the windigo, or the Native American Bigfoot.

Thunderbird, one flap of its wings, boom, the universe dies. Such power.


No, but I used to live in Oklahoma, so Native culture was covered a lot in school.



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19 Feb 2014, 1:14 pm

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Actually yes, religion is basically entirely geographical. It's a lot less so now than in the Bronze Ages, but there are still a handful of uncontacted tribes that don't really know about the modern world. As a matter of fact, there was an island tribe that was once visited by a white man in a plane who gave them some food. They began to worship cargo planes and made their own airport in the hopes that the man will return one day with more supplies for them.


A handful of tribes doesn't equate the entire world.


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19 Feb 2014, 3:13 pm

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Woah..dude..you are putting words in my mouth here..stating that i stated "nothing bad has come from the gospels."



My apologies you did not. To set the record straight this is what you did say.

"And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there...
have saved so many lives"

Which whilst this may be true, I have tried to say that they have brought death to others.


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19 Feb 2014, 3:26 pm

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Woah..dude..you are putting words in my mouth here..stating that i stated "nothing bad has come from the gospels."



My apologies you did not. To set the record straight this is what you did say.

"And regardless of who wrote those gospels in the New Testament..those jewels that do continue in the written words there...
have saved so many lives"

Which whilst this may be true, I have tried to say that they have brought death to others.


Thanks i appreciate that ..and to be clear again i also stated that the crap needed to be discerned out of it too..

Yah..see i am statistician..and i did all the math on this..in metaphor...

If even a million folks died..as a result of the crap infused in the New Testament..and the old testament put together..

Just the benefit to poor folks around the world that are currently getting fed..by the Catholic church..is enough to respect the current effort..

I live today..NOW
yesterday is so gone...
then..
forevermore NOW
is wHere i live...

Just.. means i'm always mindfully aware..
and don't fish in negative waters...

I always do my best to find a glass half full..

And the evidence is more than half full...for the overall..

TOTAL EFFECT AND AFFECT OF THE CHRISTIAN RELIGION...

BUT that's just
math..

per cost
and
benefit...

BUT extremely hard to open closed minds..
that don't visit the entire world wide churches..
associated with Christianity..
AND the
financial reports..goals..and mission met...(that sacred love thingy)

to help folks who are less fortunate..than the western ..so called.. civilized
counterparts...:)


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19 Feb 2014, 4:26 pm

appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.


Um, yes it is geographical. You obviously don't know much about your own religion.

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19 Feb 2014, 4:26 pm

appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.


Um, yes it is geographical. You obviously don't know much about your own religion.

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19 Feb 2014, 4:26 pm

appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.


Um, yes it is geographical. You obviously don't know much about your own religion.

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19 Feb 2014, 4:27 pm

appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


So you are saying that he is holding back? He only wants to make himself known to white European people? Even though he created all of the other races too.

That makes a lot of sense, not.


Belief in God isn't geographical, that is why.


Um, yes it is geographical. You obviously don't know much about your own religion.

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19 Feb 2014, 5:30 pm

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That is certainly true, the Bible has been repeatedly smashed into by people looking to undo its historical reliability. The fact that it has emerged quite in tact is pretty important to keep in mind.


By what standard does it remain "intact?" Because it seems to me that the vast majority of people accept the divinity of the Bible simply because society taught them it was divine, not because they ever conducted any kind of critical analysis (if they ever read it in the first place). If they had been born in a place where another religion was predominately practiced, they would adhere to that one in all likelihood. Every baby is born an atheist. Your psyche is shaped by your parents and the people who interact with you.


Intact refers its historical relationship to the original documents. Someone reading a modern copy can be fairly confident that what they are reading is a more or less accurate representation of the original (although there are a few examples of what look like additions). I never made a claim that God exists because the book is historically reliable so I have no idea where the rest of your post connects to my statement. All I will say to your statement is that treating non-Abrahamic faiths are more or less culturally interchangeable is highly simplistic and reads like a pretty sophomoric piece of condescension.


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19 Feb 2014, 7:11 pm

appletheclown wrote:
TheGoggles wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
Max000 wrote:
Answer one simple question. If there is one true god, then why is belief in them, so geographical? An all powerful god should be able to make himself known to people all over the world at the same time.


Because he choose to do things the way he did. He has a will of his own.


What's the point? He gave the world the savior of all mankind and, whoops, forgot about the massive number of people currently writing about trickster coyotes and domestic violence between the moon and sun.

On a mostly unrelated note, I've read a lot of Native American lore and it's actually really creative and entertaining. There's a lot of Native American comedy actually, and a lot of it involves the aforementioned coyote character.


Are you Native American? My great grand mother was.

The tale of the Thunderbird is a much more impressive tale. Or the windigo, or the Native American Bigfoot.

Thunderbird, one flap of its wings, boom, the universe dies. Such power.


Not Native American myself, but I do live right smack in Big Foot central, the Pacific Northwest. 8) Big Foot I think is part of everyone's mythology in this part of the country.


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