Seeing all long-term relationships as fundamentally boring

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14 Mar 2016, 10:05 pm

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Do you think once it goes from a few casual first dates to a serious relationship she'll just morph into someone like your friends girlfriends or a wife on a sitcom?
Where do you get this idea that you have no say as to what sort of woman would be your girlfriend?
For most of my dating life, I didn't have a say in who my girlfriend was. I just dated whoever showed interest. Only in the last few years I learned to walk away when a first date sets off red flags. So hopefully, I'll use the skill to filter out boring girlfriends. In the meantime, the messages I'm getting from people and from the media are far from encouraging.

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IYou've continued to dance around the question: Do you actually want a relationship?
Now, when I say relationship, I mean YOUR idea of an IDEAL relationship.
If I can find a relationship that consists of riding trains, dancing salsa, and exploring the unknown, then damn yeah, I want it! But that's as unrealistic as turning into a lion or living in outer space. And even then, as a lion, I can get shot by an American dentist (news reference), and in outer space, I have to worry about oxygen and use reprocessed urine for water.

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This past Sunday, I actually had a fun time. We hung out together as usual. Only---oh, world of wonders!---we went to an outdoor batting cage place, instead of the usual dinners. Whether it was as a favor to me or to take advantage of the extra hour of daylight, I'll never know. Only for the first time in months, I felt happy and relaxed as a fifth wheel. I even turned to limited PUA acts, to raise my status among the girls; I kept it subtle enough to pass for garden-variety jokes or brotherly teasing, that their boyfriends didn't say anything. At the end, the girls even hugged me, even though our greetings are usually strictly verbal. Sadly, these outings are extremely rare among my friends nowadays.



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29 Mar 2016, 5:13 pm

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I (male) am at a point where the bulk of my friends are in relationships now. And I guess I made a big 180 from ten years ago: I DON'T WANT to be in a relationship, despite only having a modest success with women in general. I can't figure out how or why I got that idea, but I just view all long-term relationships as fundamentally boring and tedious. Even when I see coupled-up strangers who look happy, all I imagine in my own relationships is boredom and drudgery. No spontaneity (a skill that took me decades to learn), no finding fun in silly little things, no playing child-like road trip games while riding a train together, no going off on a wacky tangent in conversation, nothing; just a never-ending set of duties and obligations. For example: bringing your girlfriend along everywhere you go that's not work or errands, no matter how difficult it'll be, to make her feel "special" and "loved". (Although this may be the norm only among my friends.)

I don't have the same feelings toward vacation flings and even platonic friendships. I found myself engaging in silliest activities when I met a really fun girl on a cruise four years ago. One day in port, we were walking around (hand in hand, no less) on the plaza near the dock, and came upon a street musician. I tipped him $2 to play a specific song, and we started dancing to it, right on the plaza. Three more couples got in on the act, a la dance flash mob, surrounded by a small crowd of onlookers. Under no circumstances can I imagine a long-term girlfriend doing that with me. (Although truth be told, spontaneous dancing like this will look much weirder in an American downtown than in a Caribbean port of call.)

I know my feelings aren't "normal", but this is an aspie support site, so "normal" is relative. But does anyone else feel the same way about romantic relationships?


First of all, I am from the Caribbean and I guarantee you, it is more frowned upon there than it is anywhere in North America (except maybe that town from Footloose).

Second, why can you not imagine a long-term girlfriend doing that? Sure, some girls are probably not going to be into it, but some =/= all. Just don't date the boring ones :P

Thirdly, nobody is saying you are required to have a long-term relationship. It is a personal preference. For example, I like long-term relationships, because then you still do the same things you would do if you were friends, but also sex ;)

P.S. Almost every wacky and fun thing you have said is not in a relationship, I have done multiple times in every one of my relationships.


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29 Mar 2016, 8:08 pm

This post is interesting to me because I am a homebody female that likes routine, but I also like not being held back from doing whatever I want and always having to answer to someone. I like to keep my own identity and all I can see are people around me who are in long-term relationships who do the same things over and over again. You can see that one partner completely hates their life, yet they keep the charade going. This is the most bizarre thing in the world to me. I guess I would not understand because I don't have that need to always be around people like the majority of society does, but still, it seems like such a waste of a life to be that way.



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29 Mar 2016, 11:31 pm

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First of all, I am from the Caribbean and I guarantee you, it is more frowned upon there than it is anywhere in North America (except maybe that town from Footloose).

Second, why can you not imagine a long-term girlfriend doing that? Sure, some girls are probably not going to be into it, but some =/= all. Just don't date the boring ones :P

For example, I like long-term relationships, because then you still do the same things you would do if you were friends, but also sex ;)

Well, I did say "port of call", which implies touristy silliness. The street performer probably groaned in his mind, lol. But the thing is, cruises and dancing pretty much go hand-in-hand, so the mentality just spilled over onto the island. Either way, me and that girl started a dance mob, people had fun, and the performer probably made a fortune in tips from the crowd. Later on the ship, a few people recognized us and said hello.

Why can't I imagine a long-term girlfriend dancing with me in the street like that? I don't know. All I know is that serious long-term relationships are the epitome of boredom. After all, "serious" is the opposite of "fun". And when you make something serious long-term too, that's when I have a problem with it! Because that's what I observed in all my close friends. As soon as they started LTR's, they aged mentally by 30 years and made me not want to hang out with them anymore. Plus I'm sure their girlfriends see me as a second-class citizen, or even worse, "that guy". I, in turn, view them all as "boring old people" (despite respecting the elderly in general), and now gravitate more toward my more distant, casual friends, who continue to hang out and have real fun together.

As for "not dating the boring ones", who would that be?! No one I come across in my daily life, that's for sure. My idea of a relationship is like Bonnie and Clyde, minus the criminal element. Just taking on the city: riding trains, talking to strangers on trains, picking apart similarities between world languages, dancing in the streets, drinking on the sidewalk out of a brown bag (illegal in the US), and standing on a bridge illuminated by city lights. But again, I CAN'T imagine a long-term girlfriend being anything close to that. So your notion of a relationship being great friendship plus sex creates a cognitive dissonance in my mind. If anything, a relationship is nothing but boring nights at home and sleep-inducing dinner parties, in my eyes.



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30 Mar 2016, 12:40 am

What I've discovered about myself is that I need my own space and don't want to feel obligated to have to talk to someone and hang out with them all the time. It just starts feeling draining like a constant chore after a while and I become miserable and turn in to a jerk even though I don't want to be. I've had a tendency in the past to date women that I had very little in common with though, so I'm sure that's a major issue when it comes to that. I think we as aspies can tend to settle on our relationships and friendships just because it is the easiest thing to do, it is almost like we can't be too picky because of what we might lack socially, or we end up alone, which isn't always a bad thing.


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30 Mar 2016, 1:27 am

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It's funny what you said about weddings. Most relationships in family sitcoms ALWAYS follow this specific pattern.

1. The man somehow expresses his needs. Oftentimes, it's sex. But it can really be anything: a night out with his friends, seeing a football (American) game, playing golf, or pursuing his own manly hobby.
2. The woman is against it, and accuses him of not loving her, threatening to end the relationship, or something of that nature. She cries, yells, or both. All supporting characters automatically take her side.
3. The man is humbled, and submits to her wishes. No sex happens, his cancels on his friends, he doesn't get to watch the game. Instead, he submits to his partner's wishes, and apparently, "learns his lesson".
4. They make up, and live happily ever after. Or specifically, only she does. The man learns to live without his needs being met. Whether or not he's actually happy living like that, the show does not tell you.


5. They get married, and something crazy happens during the wedding.


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Also, me and my friend got into a fight this week. I'm pretty sure the friendship is done for, although it was halfway there already, when his girlfriend entered the picture. So it was just a matter of the final push. Anyway, I tried to invite him to a birthday party I'm trying to organize for early next month. We're supposed to take a train to an Irish neighorbood, walk around, and do some day drinking. You know, take advantage of this year's El Niño weather. I suggested it to some of my distant friends, who all agreed. But my good friend said he has to ask his girlfriend's permission, since she doesn't like going out, and he refuses to go without her, "because that's not what love is". I wanted to slap him! Heck, I've gone to dance classes where women come without their significant others, due to diverging interests. And I danced with them too. They're still plenty loving at home, I'm sure.

I kept trying to get it through his head that he drank the Kool-Aid, and was no longer his own person, just a pet. I'm at a point where I gave up trying to explain things to NTs deeply set in their ways. Unlike family, who I want to at least make peace with my decision to be single, I'm ready to stand back and smugly watch my friends be proverbial inmates. All while I go to singles' parties, flirt and have fun, then stagger back to the station to catch the 1:00 AM train home.


Yes, quite a lot of men are like this - except here they would be married.

"I have to ask my wife" - something that I hear it all the time, even for simple outings.

Male power is a myth, they are the manipulated gender in the household. :lol:



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31 Mar 2016, 12:13 am

Boo you can't make such a sweeping statement. It discounts all the women who have been in controlling relationships.

I have female family who have been on the receiving end of the "where are you, who are you with, your world should only revolve around me" texts when they are out.

Women who began to be afraid of being too autonomous for fear of the consequences when they got home.

Male family members too have been in abusive relationships.

You've got to be careful who you end up with whether you are male or female.



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31 Mar 2016, 12:54 am

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Boo you can't make such a sweeping statement. It discounts all the women who have been in controlling relationships.


What I was describing wasn't a form of abusive relationships, it simply what most married men do - in my observation.
"I have to ask my wife first" for every outing is a far cry from abuse, I don't know what more exactly happen in their houses, but like Aspie1 I do have observed a lot of men who stopped going out at all once got married because of their wives not wanting so - and it's funny.



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31 Mar 2016, 1:38 am

I see my female friends doing the same. They say, I'll check with my husband first. It's not gender exclusive. I have female friends I see less often now they are in relationships.

Maybe they didn't want to be out in the first place and use their partners now as an excuse. Oh she/he says no, is less hurtful to the old friend than, no I don't want to. I used to go because I was bored and lonely and had nothing else to do.

Now they have someone else to spend time with.

Reminds me of this song:

The days before you came
Were really all the same
The greyness I used to call freedom
Endless nights out with the boys
The boasting and the noise
To think that I ever believed that



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31 Mar 2016, 7:11 am

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
What I was describing wasn't a form of abusive relationships, it simply what most married men do - in my observation. "I have to ask my wife first" for every outing is a far cry from abuse, I don't know what more exactly happen in their houses, but like Aspie1 I do have observed a lot of men who stopped going out at all once got married because of their wives not wanting so - and it's funny.
I know, right? I bet even George Washington (the first US president) had to ask Martha's (his wife) permission before going off to fight in the Valley Forge. Feminists love it, I'm sure, but I find this very sad. As well as yet another reason to avoid LTR's like the plague. Plus, I have tons of hobbies I absolutely love: social dancing, craft beers, flying small planes, railroad museums, etc. And the notion that one person keep me away from them with just the word "no", makes me sick to my stomach.

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Maybe they didn't want to be out in the first place and use their partners now as an excuse. Oh she/he says no, is less hurtful to the old friend than, no I don't want to. I used to go because I was bored and lonely and had nothing else to do.
I doubt it. They used to be outgoing guys. Although especially in the later years, a little bit less so than me. Heck, I went on a cruise by myself, and met tons of people. Now, they're all homebodies, and even getting them to go to the gym with me---more of an errand than "fun" thing to do---is like pulling teeth.



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31 Mar 2016, 7:39 am

Married people are boring, Boooo!! *bitterly throwing rotten tomatoes*

Or maybe they find humping at home with their SO to be more fun, hmm.



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31 Mar 2016, 12:19 pm

I'm sorry, but going to the gym is chore whether you're single or not. It's something I have to do, not something I do because it's fun.



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03 Apr 2016, 6:41 am

Like others have suggested, either don't get into a long term relationship and just have good friends, family and hook-ups or only date women that share your views and want an interesting life.



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03 Apr 2016, 7:44 am

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I'm sorry, but going to the gym is chore whether you're single or not. It's something I have to do, not something I do because it's fun.


Lol I actually enjoy working out, in fact the majority of males I meet who do find exercise fun.

This is normal, isn't it?

i workout not for anyone else but myself - to look and feel good, and to be healthy, single or not.

Plus having a fit body helps me with sports, which I enjoy casually, and general fitness.

Like they say, the best job in the world isn't a job, applies true to exercise as well - the funnest chore is not a chore, it's a hobby.



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03 Apr 2016, 7:56 am

it's the obligation to be joined at the hip ALL... THE... TIME.... only if you practice this!

I'm in a LTR, 8 yrs so far. We have joint and separate friends. Go away for a few days with our own groups of friends or together. It's not healthy to do EVERYTHING together and important to be separate and not at as one in a relationship. We love each other's company but also enjoy time away from each other. It works for us and we are going strong with our long-term relationship and commitments, such as sharing a mortgage!



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03 Apr 2016, 8:51 am

You also have to remember that the first few months or years of a relationship can have people wrapped up in each other so much that they aren't all that interested in spending too much time away from them.

I've been married for 29 years. My best friend who is a few years younger but looks much younger and is a cougar is a widow. She and I used to hang out all the time and go places or do things. I've been married long enough to where the new has worn off. Then she got with a new bf who I dislike for other reasons but it's been a couple years and I only saw her really when he was in jail and she stayed here a few months.

We are still friends but she's in that wide eyed you're my world honeymoon phase. It wears off eventually. She's aware of it and so am I, so no hurt feelings.


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