So Guys(and gals, if you wish)...Which Do You Prefer?

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You know what's REALLY ironic?

I thought if I was going to get piled on for anything, it would be for arguing with the Marilyn-was-a-size-12 thing, and I thought I'd get it from the girls!

Hey Graelwyn -- sorry for hijacking your thread. And, you know what I just realized got lost in all this till now? If Marilyn was a size 12, and you fit that size -- that means you have a body like hers. So you have no reason to worry about your size and shape -- you could wear her dresses. Look at her -- curved all over, and she was so gorgeous!

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Juliekitty, even in retrospect, I don't think I did any "woman hating." I was only defending them from the start, and your opinion at that. PAPOWWOW did that go wrong, heh.

My apologies for arguing, even if it was rather fun and intriguing.

Marilyn monroe looks large in a lot of her pictures.
I dont care for the size thing, even me with my poor perception can see im not her shape, I do not have that much flesh on me and you cannot see her hipbones or anything like I can with me.

I'd comment, but I hate the stereotypical blonde she's created.

More brunettes please!

Watch it big daddy!

You're an original blonde, so I forgive you.

@ JK: I think you had a right to parle back too.

and i get myself in similar positions so............. <3

i just really don't think he was tryin to be such a butt

Alright, dido sugar lump.

Well you are partially correct, I'm not arguing about that...

Since no matter who the woman is, I can't get into a relationship with her, I can safely say that the problem lies with me (since the concept that "there's a problem with an entire gender" is complete crap)...

So I went in with the process of elimination:

The concept of AS can't be what's wrong with me, since a great number of aspies can find meaningful relationships (almost a better rate than NT's if you consider meaningful relationships only).

The concept of my being overweight can't be what's wrong with me, since there are many overweight men can get into aforementioned relationships. Every time I offer it as rationale for my inability in this area, I get a whole bunch of comments stating the contrary. Also, by your own logic, most women do not discriminate against body type in men...

After taking into account those two elements (the LPP comment was just a jab; I wasn't being serious about that one), the only other element that makes me less attractive to women is that I don't have money, so that's what must be wrong about me...

No, I was, at many a point. I provoked her on purpose, to get more of a feeling for who she really was.

She's a very strong-willed person, I felt I had to do it to get an accurate response. She's beyond smart enough to manipulate her words to her convenience. I had to strike raw emotion, or else there'd be no other way of being sure.

I like her, even though she hates me now. The end justifies the means...? Not in this case, but it was worth trying. And even though I'm now despised, I still got what I was after: A greater understanding of her thoughts. If she'd just swallow her pride and really read the two PMs I sent, she would understand much better. But, I guess I'm just some a**hole.

I think the AS is the tricky part of that. The biggest portion of it is your exterior manifestation, I think you'd find that IRL the guys who can do well are quite a bit different than the guys who can't. The guys who can't who even seem to have it all together on here, if you met them IRL, you'd see little things in their mannerisms probably that they can't fix which usually have real negative effects on first impressions (it could be something that completely pieces up their ebb and flow - and they can't do a thing about it). I think in that sense its all serendipity of genetics and how the buckshot of AS lands.

The money part also, isn't all of it but I'm sure its an element with almost anyone - heck, not too many guys even would likely date a girl who's a highschool drop out and a couch potato, even if she looks good (or at least, rather unfortunately, not with long-term intentions).

Wayyyyy back to my original point. Men want a physically healthy mate to bear children with. Women want a strong secure male to provide for that. It's simple instinct, and the very basis upon which we find anything "attractive."

Sugar lump? Don't make me swoon now

I tend to feel like so much of the reason that the conflicts arise is just the extra complexity we have here. Women and guys experience this much differently, each to the other can sound paranoid when talking about life or their own realities (a lot of times because so many things sound impossible if you haven't seen them). Also, the fact that we have AS but hold ourselves accountable for all of it - that's a very good thing and its a proactive step, shows we care about owning up to our own actions, but that also adds a layer of complexity.

I think after that last post, where I mentioned that I'd read the first two that you left again, I also went back and read. It seems part of the reason why I'm not real active in a lot of threads like this is to get people's meanings some of time time I have to laser in so much on everything about how the words are written, just to get the proper intent out sometimes, that by the time I'm done with a few I don't have much left to really examine that many in that degree of depth. When I do that though, its funny - it seems like everyone's kind of off and grabbing at straws almost in this situation (which I kind of figured Aridarr's later jokes probably had something to do with).

I think this is just one of the reasons NT's are so good at staying off topics like this - they'd probably bust it up just as bad and they know it. With some of the complaint threads some of the guys drop and even some of the women, they're very internal words, verbage, they themselves know what they mean but it gets filtered through I think first the overall emotional tone of their writing, what sort of person or mentality the reader would ascribe to that, heck, I've had it happen to me. That's not saying that any of this just goes away if we keep it in mind, emotions are what they are - still I think its easier when that's factored in to forgive ourselves, try to correct what damage happens off of that, and of course part of it is building a thick skin as an emotional preparedness for the fact that it will happen. Those 5 to 10 page combats suck though, to be in or to watch.

Guilty confession: I love Aridarr, and her stand-offish attitude.

She's so wonderfully negative, even when it matters the least. It's beyond a thrill to analyze it

It's not so much about my being lazy or unmotivated... I am a full-time college student with a 3.2 gpa, and I spend a lot of time volunteering at a church... but alas, volunteer work obviously doesn't get me any money...

And here I was thinking that there were women that were into volunteering for stuff...