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24 Jun 2025, 1:28 am

So what happened in a nutshell:

Qatar funds Hamas
Hamas attacks Israel
Israel bombs Iran
Iran bombs Qatar



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24 Jun 2025, 2:42 am

^^^ qatar funds HAMAS
HAMAS attacks Israel
everyone blames Israel



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24 Jun 2025, 3:06 am

^^ Ah no no

We should go back a bit earlier

Israelites attacked Canaan…
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24 Jun 2025, 3:18 am

In that case
Sumer attacked Abraham
Abraham makes treaty with King Abimelech of Gerar
establishes the promised land
Philistines attack Israelites



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24 Jun 2025, 4:45 am

Israel says Iran violating ceasefire announced by Trump, vows to "respond with force

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Israel and Iran both indicated on Tuesday morning that they were complying with a ceasefire agreement announced by President Trump. But the apparent agreement — which Iranian officials had yet to formally confirm they would respect — appeared to falter within just a couple hours. The Israeli military ordered people into bomb shelters yet again and said Iran had launched more missiles at the country.

"In light of Iran's complete violation of the ceasefire declared by the U.S. President and the launch of missiles towards Israel, and in accordance with the Israeli government's policy as determined to respond forcefully to any violation — I have instructed the IDF, in coordination with the Prime Minister, to continue the intense activity of attacking Tehran to thwart regime targets and terrorist infrastructures," Israeli Defense Minister Israel Katz said in a statement on Tuesday.

The Chief of the General Staff for Israel's military, Lieutenant General Eyal Zamir, announced earlier that: "In light of the severe violation of the ceasefire carried out by the Iranian regime, we will respond with force”.

Reuters cited Iran's semi-official ISNA student news agency as saying the Israeli claims of Iranian missile launches after the ceasefire began were false. The ISNA website was not immediately accessible, and there was no confirmation of that claim from Iranian officials publicly, but Iran's state-run Press TV network also said the country "denies launching missiles after the ceasefire took effect."

Israeli first responders said one Iranian missile hit the southern city of Beersheba on Tuesday morning, killing four people and wounding about 20 others. Later, at about 3:30 a.m. Eastern Time, sirens blared in northern Israel and the Israeli military said it had "identified missiles launched from Iran."

"Defensive systems are operating to intercept the threat," the IDF said.

Mr. Trump had said on Truth Social, just after 1 a.m. ET Tuesday, that a ceasefire he announced earlier between the arch rivals, "IS NOW IN EFFECT. PLEASE DO NOT VIOLATE IT!"

In a statement, the Israeli government said that, "in light of achieving the objectives of the operation, and in full coordination with President Trump, Israel has agreed to the president's proposal for a bilateral ceasefire," adding a warning that Israel would "respond forcefully to any violation of the ceasefire."

At about the same time, Iran's state-run media said the country had also started to abide by the ceasefire, following a "parting shot with multiple rounds of strikes" on Israel.

But there was never any formal confirmation by Iranian officials, and Israel's military reported Iranian missile launches within a couple hours of the time the deal should have taken effect.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi indicated earlier that Iran would respect the ceasefire, but only if Israel did the same.

"There is NO 'agreement' on any ceasefire or cessation of military operations," Araghchi wrote in a post on X. "However, provided that the Israeli regime stops its illegal aggression against the Iranian people no later than 4 a.m. Tehran time [8:30 p.m. Eastern], we have no intention to continue our response afterwards."

He said a "final decision on the cessation of our military operations will be made later."

How the ceasefire deal announced by Trump took shape

Mr. Trump said Monday night that Israel and Iran had agreed to a "Complete and Total CEASEFIRE," a move he said would end the 12-day conflict between the two countries.

The ceasefire would take hold in stages, the president said. A White House official told CBS News that Iran would halt strikes against Israel from midnight Eastern Time, and Israel was to stop striking Iran 12 hours after that, from noon ET on Tuesday. Another 12 hours after that, or at midnight ET on Wednesday morning, the war would be considered over.

In another Truth Social post later Monday night, following the Iranian foreign minister's comments, Mr. Trump wrote, in part, that Israel and Iran "came to me, almost simultaneously, and said, 'PEACE!' I knew the time was NOW."

Mr. Trump communicated directly with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, while several other administration officials — Vice President JD Vance, Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Middle East envoy Steve Witkoff — communicated with Iran through direct and indirect channels, the White House official said.

Qatar helped broker the deal, another White House official said. Mr. Trump had asked the Qatari Emir to get Iran to agree to a ceasefire. Vance coordinated with the Qatari prime minister on details, and Iran agreed to the ceasefire after speaking to the prime minister. The official said the direct talks with Iran occurred after Iran's strike on Al Udeid Air Base.


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24 Jun 2025, 4:51 am

Here we go again...



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24 Jun 2025, 4:55 am

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Doha, Qatar: The Ministry of Foreign Affairs summoned on Tuesday Ambassador of the Islamic Republic of Iran to the State of Qatar HE Ali Salehabadi, and reiterated the State of Qatar's strong condemnation of the attack on Al-Udeid Air Base by the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, considering it a blatant violation of its sovereignty and airspace, as well as of the international law and the United Nations Charter. It also affirmed that the State of Qatar reserves the right to respond to this flagrant violation in accordance with international law.


https://thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/2 ... -violation



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24 Jun 2025, 12:46 pm

cyberdora wrote:
^^^ qatar funds HAMAS
HAMAS attacks Israel
everyone blames Israel

You conveniently left out the actual atrocities that "everyone blames Israel" FOR.


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24 Jun 2025, 1:36 pm

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HAMAS attacks Israel

Quick question do Arabs have a right to self-defense? Yes or no



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24 Jun 2025, 4:32 pm

Barchan wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
HAMAS attacks Israel

Quick question do Arabs have a right to self-defense? Yes or no


The 1948 Arab-Israeli War was initiated following the declaration of Israel's independence on May 14, 1948, when neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon) invaded the former British Mandate of Palestine.

A total of 5 Arab countries joined Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

that doesn't sound like self-defence to me



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24 Jun 2025, 5:04 pm

cyberdora wrote:
Barchan wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
HAMAS attacks Israel

Quick question do Arabs have a right to self-defense? Yes or no


The 1948 Arab-Israeli War was initiated following the declaration of Israel's independence on May 14, 1948, when neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon) invaded the former British Mandate of Palestine.

A total of 5 Arab countries joined Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

that doesn't sound like self-defence to me


Only if one accepts the premise that Israel had the right to steal that territory in the first place.

Why would that be seen as legitimate in the eyes of the people being stolen from?

Interfering with theft is self-defence or in the defence of others. Committing theft is not.

A thief fighting to keep possession of stolen property can't claim self-defence, but their victim attempting to recover their property from the thief can.


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24 Jun 2025, 5:19 pm

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Early U.S. damage report: Iran's nuclear program set back months, not eliminated
An initial assessment by the Defense Intelligence Agency concludes that the U.S. airstrikes on Iran’s nuclear enrichment sites were not as effective as Trump claimed and that they set the Iranian nuclear program back by only three to six months, according to three people with knowledge of the report.

"We were assuming that the damage was going to be much more significant than this assessment is finding," one of the three sources said. “This assessment is already finding that these core pieces are still intact. That’s a bad sign for the overall program.”

CNN first reported the assessment’s conclusions.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt said the reporting on the assessment was inaccurate.

“This alleged assessment is flat-out wrong and was classified as ‘top secret’ but was still leaked to CNN by an anonymous, low-level loser in the intelligence community,” she said in a statement. “The leaking of this alleged assessment is a clear attempt to demean President Trump and discredit the brave fighter pilots who conducted a perfectly executed mission to obliterate Iran’s nuclear program.”

She added: “Everyone knows what happens when you drop fourteen 30,000-pound bombs perfectly on their targets: total obliteration.”

A White House official said defense officials continue to “analyze the impact” of the bombing targeting Iran’s nuclear facilities.

Trump declared that the Iranian nuclear program was “completely and totally obliterated,” though the country’s top military officer was less definitive Sunday in his view as a so-called battle damage assessment is completed.

“Final battle damage will take some time, but initial battle damage assessments indicate that all three sites sustained extremely severe damage and destruction,” the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Air Force Gen. Dan Caine, said at the Pentagon.

Initial intelligence reporting does not indicate that all of Iran’s stockpile of highly enriched uranium has been destroyed or accounted for, and there are still questions about its advanced centrifuges that were not found at the nuclear sites bombed by the U.S. aircraft, one of the sources said.

Rep. Jim Himes of Connecticut, the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, told MSNBC yesterday that “it will be a good long time before we know, if we ever learn whether we were able to actually destroy the stocks of 60% enriched uranium.”

Arms control experts say uranium can be transported relatively easily in canisters.


Trump 'not happy' with Israel for bombing Iran, chides both sides
Trump, in more comments made to reporters ahead of the NATO summit in The Hague, said he was “not happy" that Israel fired fresh rockets at Iran.

“These guys got to calm down. Ridiculous,” Trump said.

The president said that he didn’t like “plenty of things” he saw, including “the fact that Israel went out this morning at all.”

“I’m not happy with Iran either, but I’m really unhappy if Israel’s going out this morning,” he added.

Earlier, Trump in a strongly-worded post on Truth Social urged Israel to refrain from striking Iran. “ISRAEL. DO NOT DROP THOSE BOMBS. IF YOU DO IT IS A MAJOR VIOLATION. BRING YOUR PILOTS HOME, NOW!” he wrote.

The warning came after Trump said a truce between Iran and Israel had come into effect. Israel’s military subsequently said it had intercepted a missile launched by Iran, which Tehran denied, before launching a counterattack.

Trump said that both Iran and Israel violated the ceasefire he announced yesterday.

“I think they both violated it," he said. "I’m not sure they did it intentionally. They couldn’t rein people back. I don’t like the fact that Israel went out this morning at all, and I’m going to see if I can stop it."

“We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don’t know what the f--- they’re doing,” he said.

Israel 'stunned' and 'embarrassed' by Trump's lashing out, source says
Israel’s leadership was “stunned” and “embarrassed” by Trump’s harsh rebuke of both Iran and Israel this morning, said a person familiar with the discussions, after Israel continued attacking Iran in the hours before Trump’s ceasefire took effect.

“They were surprised that he went and did all that in such a public way and basically switched on them very quickly,” the person said. “They just ended this war on a high, and then this is kind of a little ... nick.”

The person verified Trump’s retelling of events: Trump said he personally contacted the Israelis to prevent them from striking back against Iran.

But despite the ceasefire’s rocky morning, when both Iran and Israel accused each other of violating the deal, top Israeli leaders are convinced the ceasefire will hold.

The atmosphere among Israel’s leadership was ebullient today, the person said, even as Israel continues to determine just how much damage days of American and Israeli strikes did to Iran’s nuclear program.

Even though Israeli leaders have regularly invoked the prospect of changing Iran’s regime, they are satisfied with the “massive achievements” Israel managed before the ceasefire went into effect several hours ago.


Israel says it will refrain from further attacks on Iran after call with Trump
Netanyahu's office said that Israel is refraining from carrying out further attacks on Iran following a phone call with Trump.

“In the conversation, President Trump expressed his immense appreciation for Israel — which achieved all of its war goals,” it said in a statement. “The President also expressed his confidence in the stability of the ceasefire.”

Blinken warns U.S. strike was a 'mistake,' says Iran could 'rebuild quickly'
Former Secretary of State Antony Blinken argues in a new op-ed that Trump's strike on Iran's three major nuclear facilities was a "mistake" that was "unwise and unnecessary."

In the op-ed published today in The New York Times, Blinken said it never would have come to this if Trump, during his first term in office, hadn't torn up the Iranian nuclear agreement negotiated by the Obama administration. Blinken wrote that Iran accelerated its uranium enrichment after the U.S. withdrew from that deal and now Trump is "trying to put out a fire on which he poured gasoline."

Blinken, who led the State Department under Biden and played a key role in U.S. policy toward Iran under Obama, said that there was "still time for diplomacy to work" before a strike and it "wasn’t nearly the emergency that Mr. Trump portrayed it to be."

The former secretary of state suggested that the strikes may have further provoked Iran and have "risked precipitating what we want to prevent."

"While there is no doubt the American strike set back Iran’s nuclear ambitions, Iran could rebuild quickly, in locations and at depths virtually immune to airstrikes, while pursuing weaponization at the same time," he warned.

GOP lawmakers say Trump deserves Nobel Peace Prize over Iran-Israel ceasefire
Several Republican members of Congress are renewing their calls for Trump to receive the Nobel Peace Prize for his involvement in the ceasefire struck between Israel and Iran.

"I just nominated @realDonaldTrump for the Nobel Peace Prize in recognition of his historic role in brokering a ceasefire between Israel and Iran and preventing the world’s largest state sponsor of terrorism from obtaining the most lethal weapon on the planet," Rep. Buddy Carter, R-Ga., wrote in a post on X this morning.

Sen. Katie Boyd Britt, R-Ala., said in a post on X that Trump "deserves to win the Nobel Peace Prize for the historic deals he’s made across the Middle East and world."

A few GOP lawmakers said that Trump deserved the prize for his role in his first term in reaching the Abraham Accords, including Rep. Abe Hamadeh, R-Ariz., who said on the social media platform about Trump: "what he just pulled off in dismantling Iran’s nuclear program and securing a ceasefire between Israel and Iran just 55 hours later may be an even more impressive achievement."

Israel's campaign against Iran isn't over, IDF official says
IDF General Staff Chief Eyal Zamir said Israel's campaign against Iran is not over despite the ceasefire agreement.

"We have concluded a significant phase, but the campaign against Iran is not over," Zamir said today in a statement. "We are entering a new phase based on the achievements of the current one."

Zamir applauded the military for its efforts, which he said "set Iran’s nuclear project back by years," but stressed that Israel "must stay focused," adding that "the focus shifts back to Gaza" and dismantling Hamas.

"Despite the phenomenal achievement — we must keep our feet on the ground," Zamir said. "Many challenges still lie ahead."

FBI agents pulled off immigration cases to respond to potential Iran threat, sources say
The FBI is reassigning some agents who focus on national security — and who had been pulled from their duties to work on immigration cases — back to their old jobs out of concern over potential Iran-related threats, four people with direct knowledge of the matter told NBC News.

Don Holstead, assistant director for the FBI's counterterrorism division, issued guidance over the weekend reassigning agents who work on counterterrorism, counterintelligence and cyber issues but had been sidetracked to immigration duties, two people said.

All four sources said the move was related to the possibility of Iranian retaliation for the recent U.S. military strike. NBC News has reported that Iran threatened American officials that they could unleash so-called sleeper cells inside the United States.

Many current and former agents had expressed concern for months about new requirements to help the Department of Homeland Security track down undocumented immigrants. The shift, they said, diverted their attention from crucial national security threats.

“Guess they are realizing this whole national security thing is important, after all,” one of the sources said.


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24 Jun 2025, 5:56 pm

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Only if one accepts the premise that Israel had the right to steal that territory in the first place.

Why would that be seen as legitimate in the eyes of the people being stolen from?

Interfering with theft is self-defence or in the defence of others. Committing theft is not.

A thief fighting to keep possession of stolen property can't claim self-defence, but their victim attempting to recover their property from the thief can.


Did you read the year? 1948, how do you propose to transfer land ownership to pre-1948. Should the US also give back Alaska? or Hawaii? New York? they were acquired by dubious means in recent history.



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25 Jun 2025, 1:46 am

cyberdora wrote:
Barchan wrote:
cyberdora wrote:
HAMAS attacks Israel

Quick question do Arabs have a right to self-defense? Yes or no


The 1948 Arab-Israeli War was initiated following the declaration of Israel's independence on May 14, 1948, when neighboring Arab states (Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and Lebanon) invaded the former British Mandate of Palestine.

A total of 5 Arab countries joined Palestinian Arabs in attacking territory in the former Palestinian mandate.

that doesn't sound like self-defence to me



It was a direct response to the expulsion of Palestinians during the Mandate Palestine civil war in 1947; and to Deir Yassin massacre.



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25 Jun 2025, 1:49 am

cyberdora wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Only if one accepts the premise that Israel had the right to steal that territory in the first place.

Why would that be seen as legitimate in the eyes of the people being stolen from?

Interfering with theft is self-defence or in the defence of others. Committing theft is not.

A thief fighting to keep possession of stolen property can't claim self-defence, but their victim attempting to recover their property from the thief can.


Did you read the year? 1948, how do you propose to transfer land ownership to pre-1948. Should the US also give back Alaska? or Hawaii? New York? they were acquired by dubious means in recent history.



Basically, the only difference between the foundation of US, Canada, Australia, and Israel is…. time.



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How do you spell Irony . :roll:


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