Okay, so what's up with this no gluten or milk diet thing?

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29 May 2009, 2:11 am

Poison Ivy (Toxicodendron radicans), Poison Oak (Toxicodendron diversilobum) and Poison Sumac (Toxicodendron vernix) and other urushiol induced rashes drive me absolutely insane with rashes and itching. I find my skin is especially sensitive to the irritating oils and it is contagious to other parts of my body. Once I even stand down wind from any of the plants I am a quivering pile of protoplasm for at least two weeks. I once fell on snipped stumps of the sap oozing woody plants and was in the hospital for three weeks. I only got some form of releif after cortizone was finally used to treat the oily rash and I never go anywhere with out a bottle of Technu emulsion wash.


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29 May 2009, 2:14 am

I have always hated milk, but I love cheese. i don't consume a lot of bread...I always choose corn tortillas over flour etc..But I like SOME bread...and crackers...

I do have digestive troubles, but I have never wanted to associate them with wheat and dairy..though it is possible that I am in denial.

My (Very ASish) mom is gluten intolerant...and i probably am too. I have just chosen not to notice.

I notice I feel the worst after consuming sugar and high carb meals...and I can't drink alcohol wih food without negative consequences...

I ate at a cajun resturaunt today..and had vegetarian soup, salad, and a daqueri.. The drink made me feel completely zonked out for hours...had to take a long nap....

For some reason I am prone to having meltdowns after eating sushi....a meal which is seemingly gluten and casien free...Again..maybe something about digesting high protein plus alcohol...not sure what the deal is.



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29 May 2009, 2:54 am

Maybe if you feel lethargic after eating carbohydrates you might have Candida. Certainly, i felt much better after the suger-free low carbohydrates diet. I couldn't decide, I either had Candida overgrowth or my blood sugar levels were not level.
http://www.candida-society.org/ncs/symptoms.htm



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29 May 2009, 3:53 am

Gosh you guys, I'm turning into a hypochondriac, reading all this.. D:

Anyway, besides the general fogginess, all I've got is one little patch of itch that won't GTFO. (I mean, I'm really glad it's not full-body, but it still annoys the crap out of me..)

And I don't think I have that candida thing, I don't have any of those other symptoms. Which is good because I totally wouldn't have been able to cut out sugar and carbs. I'll just start simple. Anything more and it turns into one of those things that I just give up and walk away from. D: D:


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29 May 2009, 7:47 am

One reason for the diet could be the connection between autism and digestive problems. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... gene_N.htm That would mean that the diet wouldn't apply to everyone, like your friend with the milk and you with the cereal. I'm not exactly sure what you mean in your post, is this a diet that you've been told to follow because of AS?



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29 May 2009, 10:43 am

I've been thinking about going gluten free for a while to see if it helps intermittent digestive problems--especially when I go heavy on the bread and other carbs.

The diet is supposed to be expensive, but I think that's only if you depend mostly on packaged foods. If you're willing to cook for yourself, most of the basic gluten substitutes are actually very cheap. Rice, corn meal, and many others can be cooked in various ways, even used as breakfast cereals.



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29 May 2009, 11:38 am

Whether or not I drink milk or eat dairy products doesn't make a difference. I noticed I'm more communicative when I eat gluten-free, though. Unfortunately the gluten-free diet has the side effect that I'm not able to concentrate at all anymore. The world gets all fuzzy. So I gave it up. I'm dependant on my ability to use machines.



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29 May 2009, 2:10 pm

Age1600 wrote:
basically if u have any bowel problems, gut related problems, seem to notice ur behavior changes after having something with casien or gluten, the diet might be a good idea, but know It is very expensive and very hard to keep with it. If you don't have any problems above, then the diet wont alkways have the affect people with those problems have, instead itll just limit ur diet more. either way good luck wth it.


brilliant post AGE....anyone who wants to try it should see if they have a glutem allergy first by a doctor.....or if there are a lot of bowel/tummy issues

people need gluten, especially children in their growing yrs

it is expensive and few people can pull it off in the long hall


not only is a gluten/casein free diet a kosher diet, it is a "passover kosher diet"...no one can withstand that without nutritional problems


great post!! !! !


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29 May 2009, 5:28 pm

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people need gluten, especially children in their growing yrs

it is expensive and few people can pull it off in the long hall


not only is a gluten/casein free diet a kosher diet, it is a "passover kosher diet"...no one can withstand that without nutritional problems

You're confusing gluten and protein. People need protein, but they don't necessarily need it in the form of gluten. Gluten comes from wheat and other grains. If you eat meat, or beans and rice combinations, you'll get all the protein you need. It's also perfectly possible to have a gluten-free non-kosher diet.

And, as I said, it doesn't have to be expensive if you do your own cooking instead of buying packaged, pre-cooked foods, especially snacks.



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29 May 2009, 7:21 pm

embernator wrote:
One reason for the diet could be the connection between autism and digestive problems. http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/200 ... gene_N.htm That would mean that the diet wouldn't apply to everyone, like your friend with the milk and you with the cereal. I'm not exactly sure what you mean in your post, is this a diet that you've been told to follow because of AS?

I've just been reading a lot about autism and the diet keeps coming up, so I thought it might be a good idea to look into it. No one told me to do it, I'm totally winging this whole thing.

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Whether or not I drink milk or eat dairy products doesn't make a difference. I noticed I'm more communicative when I eat gluten-free, though. Unfortunately the gluten-free diet has the side effect that I'm not able to concentrate at all anymore. The world gets all fuzzy. So I gave it up. I'm dependant on my ability to use machines.

Wait, so... this is the opposite of what I was hearing before. XD; Your concentration is worse? But you communicate more.



You guys, I'm totally starving. There's nothing in my house that doesn't have casein or gluten. XD; I've eaten like 4 bananas and a bowl of nuts today. But I'm not all dizzy like I was yesterday.

BEANS, that sounds good. Beans or potatoes. I guess that's what I'll eat.

And mayo is eggs, isn't it?? XD I just remembered that. All day I was thinking it was milk. Awesome, because I just made a bunch of aioli sauce, and I was sad.


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29 May 2009, 8:37 pm

Cool that maybe gluten-free may help you... yes, mayo is eggs. In fact, it's pretty easy to make at home if you've got a hand mixer or something... then you can be totally sure what's in it.

I've found that I feel a little better if I drink raw milk rather than the ultra-pasteurized stuff they sell these days... but that's probably just me. I've got neighbors who milk cows and goats and the milk is just soooooo much better.



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29 May 2009, 8:57 pm

wigglyspider wrote:
LeonKrahe wrote:
Hmm, I never really knew what the whole diet thing was all about either, didn't really look into it. But I'm a huge carb lover, heavy milk drinker, really love my breakfast cereal and bagels and spaghetti and all that stuff... but come to think of it, I'm tired/lethargic most of the time and couldn't for the life of me figure out why. I just thought I was a lazy person and that everyone felt this way and just force themselves to deal with it... so could my favorite foods/drink really be why? >_<

It's a sad thought, isn't it? XD;;;


Age1600 and Pensieve: damn. Well I'll try it out and see if it does anything worthwhile. How strictly do you have to stick to it? Like, could I cut out most of the gluten and get most of the effect?


yes ive tried it, its very hard to stick by, i couldnt do it, once i limited my diet more it became apparent i wasnt going to eat gfcf completely, and started starving myself, but thats me because i already have a limited diet however i still love my gluten free soup. if you want the diet to work efficiently cutting out all gluten would be the best start, if u see a change then keep doing it, if you dont try cutting out casien as well. Usuually it takes 6months on the diet completely GFCF to know if it has any affect some wont see any positive results until the second or 3rd month, but if you still dont see anything by 6months, then you know the diet isnt worth it. Good luck let us know how you do on it!

P.S. also with the diet know that you have to look into detail with everything sometimes it says its gluten free when there actually is a wheat or grain product in it. I also think beans have gluten in them, not entirely sure, dont quote me on that, somebody prob knows more on that subject hehe.


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29 May 2009, 9:01 pm

AnAutisticMind wrote:
Age1600 wrote:
basically if u have any bowel problems, gut related problems, seem to notice ur behavior changes after having something with casien or gluten, the diet might be a good idea, but know It is very expensive and very hard to keep with it. If you don't have any problems above, then the diet wont alkways have the affect people with those problems have, instead itll just limit ur diet more. either way good luck wth it.


brilliant post AGE....anyone who wants to try it should see if they have a glutem allergy first by a doctor.....or if there are a lot of bowel/tummy issues

people need gluten, especially children in their growing yrs

it is expensive and few people can pull it off in the long hall


not only is a gluten/casein free diet a kosher diet, it is a "passover kosher diet"...no one can withstand that without nutritional problems


great post!! !! !


thank you heheh :)


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29 May 2009, 10:02 pm

I'm wondering about this with myself. At one time I used to eat bread like an addiction. (a sign of food allergy from what I read). I've since then cut back eating bread and I never have been a fan of milk. I can't stand to drink it, but I can eat other dairy products.

One thing I notice is that I tend to feel signifigantly worse after eating lunch. I can't seem to spot a pattern. Just all of a sudden I may not be able to function. I feel so tired I can't keep awake or focus on anything and need to sleep it off. I will feel amazingly dizzy, light-headed, and notice changes in vision and overall sensation when I stand up or change position.

I live with my grandma and her explanation is the body needs to rest after digesting something. I don't know.... I'm getting tired of being tired at the wrong times of day.



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29 May 2009, 10:22 pm

It's best to cut out casein first for a month, then start cutting out gluten. Gluten is in everything, even toothpaste.
The day after I went gluten free I got dizzy but eventually I felt allright.
And I agree it's best to cut out all gluten, because I tried having mostly gluten-free food but it didn't work as well as going completely gluten free.
I liked being GFCF. Got plenty of sleep and wasn't as stressed out. Also, had no acid reflux or heartburn. Getting enough fiber was hard though. I've always had gastrointestinal problems.


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29 May 2009, 10:41 pm

Yeeaaah, I think I'll try just gluten-free first. For one thing, because I've heard from several places that gluten-free is good for your skin, so it'll be double worth it if it does anything. I'll also not, like, drink big glasses of milk or have yogurt-based lunches, but there are some small milk-related things I don't want to cut out, especially for 6 months. (COFFEE. And cheese on food.)

I think I'll start by trying these things for a week or two and see how that goes. And if nothing happens, I'll probably just wait 'till I get around to seeing a doctor, and I'll ask them to test me before I go deciding to not eat awesome food for half a year.


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