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I never made this claim. Please re-read my posts at your convenience.

I really don't know what this "true believer" stuff is. Please explain so that I know what I am being labeled as next.

You've claimed that the income tax is illegitimate and certainly indicated that you shouldn't have to pay it, though you are compelled to do so. Your belief that the income tax is illegal is demonstrably absurd, so I still don't see what's wrong with pointing out that you maintain insane beliefs. Now, if you, like vibratetogether, simply claimed that the income tax is wrong, or bad policy, I wouldn't take issue. That's an opinion and it can be argued for or against. But when you make silly claims about basic historical facts, I'm going to call you out, and if you persist I'll likely end up insulting your intelligence.

Looking back, it was definitely more zer0netgain than you going off on the alleged illegitimacy of the income tax. But from your posts it seems fairly apparent that you are fond of that particular style of tin hat.


A "true believer" is one who is so close-minded and inflexible in their beliefs that opposing evidence leaves them completely unfazed.

Anyways, you're the one who's insisted on keeping the analogy between tax deniers and other conspiracy nuts going- I was going to let it drop until you decided to push the matter.

Orwell, please show me where I claimed that the income tax is illegitimate and certainly indicated that [I] shouldn't have to pay it. Still waiting.

Maybe google Harry Browne and look at what he has to say. Trying to remember if it is Harry Browne that has over 17,000 IRS documents through FOIA requests that very much backs up what zer0netgain is saying here. If it is the same guy, then I heard him daring the IRS to take him to court.

I have an income and without due process my money is taken.

But, today, it is bad to question anything government, especially the IRS. Because of the repercussions and people leaning to socialism and tax, tax, tax. Tyranny anyone. If only our founding fathers could have predicted this. Rolling Eyes

Many, many, too freaking many laws in this country were and have been passed without the proper number of votes required by their own legislation procedures at whatever level.

The income tax origins have some dubious and ominous overtones

I WAS JUST pointing out that the other poster had legitimate claims to his statements based on some criticisms of the Income tax and the origins of the tax itself.

Which for me, I do not subscribe and never made the statement that I did.

You assumed I did.

No apology necessary, Orwell.

Really? Do I really have to quote you?


All right then.


Claiming that someone has a pile of IRS documents that disprove the validity of the income tax, and indicating that the IRS is unable or unwilling to act against someone who refuses to pay their tax.


An indication that you believe the income tax is applied in violation of your rights, which plainly enough translates to a belief that you should not have to pay it.


Referring to the income tax as tyranny and lamenting "If only our founding fathers could have predicted this" indicate a belief that the income tax is illegitimate.


In the middle of a discussion about income tax, this certainly seems like a reference to the claims that the income tax was never actually passed into law, or the sixteenth amendment was never ratified.


Only in the minds of conspiracy nuts. The sixteenth amendment was rightfully passed, and besides that multiple court cases have upheld that the power to tax incomes existed before the sixteenth amendment. It only removed some requirements in the way the income tax was applied.


Actually, no, he did not. I've already refuted his claims.


Quit back-pedaling.


Yes, I assumed that you believed the claims you yourself made. In future I will not assume honesty on your part, thanks for setting me straight on that point.


Correct, no apology is necessary because I have nothing for which to apologize.

My points stand, unless you want to clarify what you actually meant by those comments. How else are they to be taken? Especially with the pattern of them throughout the thread.

I'm not. I usually agree with them on most social issues (except gun control) but disagree with them in the strongest possible terms on economic issues. Especially the extremist ones that think even roads and such should be private. I'm a very far left Socialist.

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