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25 Jun 2009, 6:11 am

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Western powers have very openly been promoting revolutions as a means of installing governments to their liking. They've made no secret of that. They've been grooming leaders in some places, making alliances with others in other places, training people to become revolutionaries, even having roving revolutionaries going from place to place to put pro-West governments in power. So when Russia, Belarus or Iran speaks of this activity, they speak the truth.

Selectively speaking. We were complicit back then and there is no denying it. US particularly took a long time to learn its lesson you could say it is still learning it. I used live in Angola another example.

The Nuclear race is similar to the fuel/resources race in general. Why do you think that Russian have tried to place a flag under the pole to beat the Canadians, why do you think they are so eager to get the moon to mine Helium-3?



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25 Jun 2009, 11:32 am

I'm talking about the Coloured Revolution phenomenon, the first of which was arguably was Bulgaria in 1990 when the elected government was overthrown with NED and CIA help... Serbia in 2000 set the template, set the kind of leader used as a figure-head. The Iran case resembles Belarus in 2001, Lukashenko vs Goncharik. Lukashenko was from a new generation of leaders, a post-Soviet generation, opposed by old guard Communists that sold out to the West, and Goncharik was such a Communist. Much as Mousavi is backed by the old guard and Ahmadinejad is a second generation "upstart"... Lukashenko won that one. One can tell if it will work by the profiles of the leaders and the kind of baggage they had. In Serbia, Kostunica appealed to the "we can have it both ways" crowd perfectly and Milosevic had thirteen years of baggage... In the Ukraine, Yanukovich's manner was suspect and his prison past was brought up and the Americans managed to yoke him to the unpopular Kuchma even though Yushchenko had also been a Kuchma-era prime minister during bad Kuchma years, unlike Yanukovich under which things were going well... The Americans knew that Shevardnadze was spent in Georgia so they engineered Saakashvilli's coup and managed to overthrow the pro-Russian government of Adjaria for good measure. Attempts to do likewise in South Ossetia did not go as planned.



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25 Jun 2009, 11:41 am

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Ahmadinejad is a second generation "upstart"...

??? He was around in 1979. He was not part of the embassy seige but what close to that body of students and supported them back then.