08 Aug 2009, 7:05 pm
Non-believers can be good people too? How offensive.
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An atheist billboard in Florida has resulted in community protests and a call for the sign to be banned, but wait until you see what’s on (or as is the case isn’t on) the sign.
Unlike campaigns in Europe which included the slogan “there probably isn’t a god,” the Florida campaign says “Being a good person doesn’t require God. Don’t believe in God, you’re not alone.” According to the Christians in the area, saying that non-believers can be good people discriminates against Christians.
Here’s where it gets even weirder: the residents object because (and I’m not making this up) African-Americans live in the area, and a shop owned by a born again Christian is nearby.
Local media reported that Team of Life community activist Essie “Big Mama” Reed brought her students out to protest it Wednesday afternoon.
“Nothing else matters, but that sign needs to come down. In the name of Jesus,” Big Mama chanted, as she led her students in protest.
She said the sign affects something much deeper than business. “I don’t know the reason for putting this sign up,” said Big Mama. “It says ‘Do not believe in God.’ How are we going to make it? Look at our schools, everyday. Everyday there’s something going on. Kids are out here killing each other, kids are here using drugs. Who else are they going to believe in?”
The atheist group behind the sign rightly pointed out the hypocrisy in the protestors, saying that they would like the community to show them the same tolerance they fought for during the civil rights era. “The women and blacks in this neighborhood, they’ve been discriminated before, in the recent past, as early as 30, 40 years ago,” a spokesman said “and yet, they have no problem discriminating against another group, whether it be gays or atheists.”
Atheists = your new African Americans.
Unlike campaigns in Europe which included the slogan “there probably isn’t a god,” the Florida campaign says “Being a good person doesn’t require God. Don’t believe in God, you’re not alone.” According to the Christians in the area, saying that non-believers can be good people discriminates against Christians.
Here’s where it gets even weirder: the residents object because (and I’m not making this up) African-Americans live in the area, and a shop owned by a born again Christian is nearby.
Local media reported that Team of Life community activist Essie “Big Mama” Reed brought her students out to protest it Wednesday afternoon.
“Nothing else matters, but that sign needs to come down. In the name of Jesus,” Big Mama chanted, as she led her students in protest.
She said the sign affects something much deeper than business. “I don’t know the reason for putting this sign up,” said Big Mama. “It says ‘Do not believe in God.’ How are we going to make it? Look at our schools, everyday. Everyday there’s something going on. Kids are out here killing each other, kids are here using drugs. Who else are they going to believe in?”
The atheist group behind the sign rightly pointed out the hypocrisy in the protestors, saying that they would like the community to show them the same tolerance they fought for during the civil rights era. “The women and blacks in this neighborhood, they’ve been discriminated before, in the recent past, as early as 30, 40 years ago,” a spokesman said “and yet, they have no problem discriminating against another group, whether it be gays or atheists.”
Atheists = your new African Americans.
Well, I'm just happy I don't live in America.
08 Aug 2009, 7:17 pm
08 Aug 2009, 7:28 pm
09 Aug 2009, 11:00 am
"Nothing else matters, but that sign needs to come down." 
Thanks, Henriksson.
09 Aug 2009, 1:10 pm
09 Aug 2009, 1:25 pm
Tim_Tex wrote:
What many people don't know is that there are hundreds of commandments in the Bible, not just ten.
Er, I'm pretty sure most people know that.
BTW, the 'Ten Commandments' is more like 30.
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One of them is "Do not oppress foreigners", and I adhere to that, as well as "Love thy neighbor."
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
09 Aug 2009, 3:12 pm
Don't get what seems to be the problem, it is true you can be a good person without God o.O . And obviously the "you're not alone" comment is to motivate people to go out and talk to like-minded people instead of staying in their house agonizing at how different they are! 
Truly ^.- I don't see what's wrong ~
09 Aug 2009, 3:25 pm
Henriksson wrote:
BTW, the 'Ten Commandments' is more like 30.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
There are 613 commandments (some positive, some negative) given in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no commandment among the 613 to give away one's possessions. The tithe (ten percent) is supposed to take care of the orphans, widows and other poor.
God does not demand as much as the Internal Revenue Service.
ruveyn
09 Aug 2009, 3:31 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
BTW, the 'Ten Commandments' is more like 30.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
There are 613 commandments (some positive, some negative) given in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no commandment among the 613 to give away one's possessions. The tithe (ten percent) is supposed to take care of the orphans, widows and other poor.
God does not demand as much as the Internal Revenue Service.
ruveyn
But then again, the IRS doesn't create hurricanes, earthquakes, plagues etc. and it may put you in prison for tax evasion but never sends you to Hell for eternity.
09 Aug 2009, 3:35 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
BTW, the 'Ten Commandments' is more like 30.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
I bet there are lots of commandments you don't adhere to at all, like giving all your possessions to the poor. Blindly following biblical morals is a pretty lousy moral system, I think you agree.
There are 613 commandments (some positive, some negative) given in the Hebrew Scriptures. There is no commandment among the 613 to give away one's possessions. The tithe (ten percent) is supposed to take care of the orphans, widows and other poor.
God does not demand as much as the Internal Revenue Service.
ruveyn
Well, I assume we were talking about the whole Bible, not just the Old Testament.
Luke 12:33
"Sell your possessions and give to the poor."
There is also the following quotes from the Bible:
Matthew 5:40-41
"And if someone wants to sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well."
Matthew 5:41
"If someone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles."
Matthew 5:42
"Give to the one who asks you, and do not turn away from the one who wants to borrow from you."
Matthew 19:21
Jesus answered, "If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Mark 10:21
Jesus looked at him and loved him. "One thing you lack," he said. "Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me."
Luke 6:29
"If someone strikes you on one cheek, turn to him the other also. If someone takes your cloak, do not stop him from taking your tunic."
Luke 6:30
"Give to everyone that asketh thee; and from him that taketh away thy goods ask not again."
Luke 14:33
"Any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple."
Luke 6:24-25
"But woe unto you that are rich! For ye have received your consolation. Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep."
09 Aug 2009, 3:49 pm
phil777 wrote:
Don't get what seems to be the problem, it is true you can be a good person without God o.O . And obviously the "you're not alone" comment is to motivate people to go out and talk to like-minded people instead of staying in their house agonizing at how different they are!
Truly ^.- I don't see what's wrong ~
Truly ^.- I don't see what's wrong ~
The problem is that that lady cannot see the possibility of morality without belief. That lady is incensed that her god(and her beliefs) are threatened with irrelevancy by that billboard.
Plus shes a bigot and a hypocrite.
10 Aug 2009, 8:10 am
Fuzzy wrote:
phil777 wrote:
Don't get what seems to be the problem, it is true you can be a good person without God o.O . And obviously the "you're not alone" comment is to motivate people to go out and talk to like-minded people instead of staying in their house agonizing at how different they are!
Truly ^.- I don't see what's wrong ~
Truly ^.- I don't see what's wrong ~
The problem is that that lady cannot see the possibility of morality without belief. That lady is incensed that her god(and her beliefs) are threatened with irrelevancy by that billboard.
Plus shes a bigot and a hypocrite.
Being an Aussie, when I had a holiday in America I got into a discussion about religion in Louisiana before I knew what a "religious nutjob" was. It was a conversation I didn't want to have but you know how proselthyzers (yeah, sue me for the spelling) can be. When he came up with the line "I found God while I was in prison. Jesus keeps me from doing some TERRIBLE things..." all I could say was "Keep on believing! Praise the lord" or something along those lines and high tailed it into the nearest bar.
10 Aug 2009, 8:37 am
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