The god scenario versus the game scenario
I have not been particularly happy with all the religions I have read about for several reasons but one of the characteristics of religions which brings doubts to my mind most frequently is how closely the theological controlling architectures parallel those of human governing systems.
The old Greek and Norse systems worked up a gang of gods, each with a specific character and more or less an area for control. It was a religion of specialists and a violation of any particular rule in a specialty invoked wrath from that particular god. Requests for help became, therefore, somewhat departmental and territorial.
The Jews, and their heirs, the Christians and Muslims, evidently functioned with a one-man government and their god was an individual. The Christians deviated a bit from this in a very odd way to trifurcate their deity making it a bit more departmental but very unclearly so. Christians do, apparently request favors from either the father or the son but I am not sure if the holy spirit has a mailbox.
But basically all these systems are governmental. Humans always create new things from what they are familiar with.
Modern life has presented possibilities that were not envisioned a couple of thousand years ago and theological inventions have new territory to draw upon
The film “The Matrix” presented a world where perceived reality was a dream and humans were mere plug-in units to a power system. Although humans as power generators seem to me a remarkably inefficient system, the concept is intriguing.
As an aside, I began noticing in my rather long and unconventional life, that there were definite phases where whole batches of totally unrelated things either consistently turned out well or turned out badly. Slot machines paid off, buses arrived at stops just when I needed them, personal interactions randomly were beneficial. On other occasions everything was a mess and I kept stubbing my toes. This, of course, unless one has paranoid tendencies, opens no secrets to reality.
A modern scenario that might have some pattern counterparts is the video game. Just suppose that, not gods, but multiple players from multidimensional sources controlled the lives of individual humans and some had good skills and some were no damn good at all. What we attribute to luck and weather may be we had the right guy pulling the right strings. Once in a while inspectors in flying saucers would cruise over the game space to see that the rules were obeyed and the players were not on drugs.
What the hell! It makes as much sense as Christianity.
no, you're just all a part of my dream.
i'll be working on that soon enough...expect to all be turned into hot, tattoo'd betty page looking women shortly.
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The virtual world still isn't making sense to me...>_<
What the heck is "real"? We each live in a "now" that is different from everybody else's "now" and a "place" that is different from everybody else's "place" and it keeps changing all the time.
Let's make this basiclly a two player game where there is a God who has a certan number of people (pieces) who are on his side and follow his directions, and there is a Devil who has a certain number of peole who are on his side and follow his directions. However, most people are sitting on the fence and will not commit themselves either way so they have a tendency of following the directions of wichever controller seems good to them at the time.
Now is that an interesting game or what?
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Now is that an interesting game or what?
That's an interesting variation and it answers the old question of why God created the devil if he was all powerful. We're just the pieces in a game to entertain him and watching the mayhem is like the kids shooting aliens in computer games. Makes sense.
Mark Twain had something of the same perspective in his story "The Mysterious Stranger".
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This discussion reminds of when I was a kid and I would suffer from anxiety attacks, gasping for air, and thinking, "What am I going to do with my life?"
If there was a sexual aspect to Twain's story I missed it.
The old Greek and Norse systems worked up a gang of gods, each with a specific character and more or less an area for control. It was a religion of specialists and a violation of any particular rule in a specialty invoked wrath from that particular god. Requests for help became, therefore, somewhat departmental and territorial.
The Jews, and their heirs, the Christians and Muslims, evidently functioned with a one-man government and their god was an individual. The Christians deviated a bit from this in a very odd way to trifurcate their deity making it a bit more departmental but very unclearly so. Christians do, apparently request favors from either the father or the son but I am not sure if the holy spirit has a mailbox.
But basically all these systems are governmental. Humans always create new things from what they are familiar with.
Modern life has presented possibilities that were not envisioned a couple of thousand years ago and theological inventions have new territory to draw upon
The film “The Matrix” presented a world where perceived reality was a dream and humans were mere plug-in units to a power system. Although humans as power generators seem to me a remarkably inefficient system, the concept is intriguing.
As an aside, I began noticing in my rather long and unconventional life, that there were definite phases where whole batches of totally unrelated things either consistently turned out well or turned out badly. Slot machines paid off, buses arrived at stops just when I needed them, personal interactions randomly were beneficial. On other occasions everything was a mess and I kept stubbing my toes. This, of course, unless one has paranoid tendencies, opens no secrets to reality.
A modern scenario that might have some pattern counterparts is the video game. Just suppose that, not gods, but multiple players from multidimensional sources controlled the lives of individual humans and some had good skills and some were no damn good at all. What we attribute to luck and weather may be we had the right guy pulling the right strings. Once in a while inspectors in flying saucers would cruise over the game space to see that the rules were obeyed and the players were not on drugs.
What the hell! It makes as much sense as Christianity.
There is a saying in Hebrew: Aiyn hadashot tachat ha'shemesh. There ain't nothing new under the Sun. This whole business goes back way before Descartes and even before Plato. Read Plato's parable of the cave in -The Republic- Book VI. Plato was of the opinion that the world given to our consciousness by the senses is all appearance and there is nothing "real" about it. We are the puppets of Illusion and the real Reality is beyond our grasp. Kant also subscribed to this philosophy. See -Critique of Pure Reason-.
ruveyn
What the hell! It makes as much sense as Christianity.
Rene Descartes thought otherwise.
ruveyn
I was never aware that Rene Descartes played video games.
He played the philosophical equivalent thereof as did Kant.See -Discourse on Method- (1637).. I Kant essentially proposed that we are all born with Virtual Reality Goggles that we can not remove. See -Critique of Pure Reason-.
Once you get past some of the superficial matters, you will see that many of our ideas have be knocking about for thousands of years. Just about every epistemological approach possible was dealt with by Plato. See -The Republc- -Theatatus- and -Timeaus-. Its all there. Bertrand Russell once wrote that every work in philosophy is a footnote to or a gloss on the works of Plato.
ruveyn
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