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Willard wrote:
Other than Hannity and Bill O'Reilly there's nothing wrong with Fox News. I really get sick of hearing people parrot that left-wing slander. The truth is, the rest of the media is so incredibly liberally biased, that Fox's extremely moderate, slightly right-of-center stance only LOOKS far right by comparison.
Thanks for the laugh.
Fox News and MSNBC:
Everything that conservatives say about MSNBC is true. Everything that liberals say about Fox News is true.
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10 Aug 2009, 3:28 pm
Some polls worth looking at from this polling agency;
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/
Among them:
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32% Favor Single-Payer Health Care, 57% Oppose
Monday, August 10, 2009
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Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.
Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.
Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same.
There's wide political disagreement over the single-payer issue. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats favor a single-payer system, but 87% of Republicans are opposed to one. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed.
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Thirty-two percent (32%) of voters nationwide favor a single-payer health care system where the federal government provides coverage for everyone. A Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 57% are opposed to a single-payer plan.
Fifty-two percent (52%) believe such a system would lead to a lower quality of care while 13% believe care would improve. Twenty-seven percent (27%) think that the quality of care would remain about the same.
Forty-five percent (45%) also say a single-payer system would lead to higher health care costs while 24% think lower costs would result. Nineteen percent (19%) think prices would remain about the same.
There's wide political disagreement over the single-payer issue. Sixty-two percent (62%) of Democrats favor a single-payer system, but 87% of Republicans are opposed to one. As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed.
that last line is interesting;Quote:
As for those not affiliated with either major party, 22% favor a single-payer approach while 63% are opposed.
Other things worth looking at there;
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While 41% fear the insurance companies more than the government, just 25% agree with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi that health insurance companies are "villains."
Recent polling has shown that the public is fairly evenly divided about the health insurance proposals being made by the president and congressional leaders of his party. However, those who feel strongly about the issue are more likely to oppose the effort.
As Congress has debated potential reforms, confidence in U.S. health care system has increased. Just 19% of Americans now rate the overall system as poor while 48% say it’s good or excellent.
Voters are fairly evenly divided in their views of the protesters at town hall meetings, but 49% believe they are genuinely expressing the views of their neighbors. Thirty-seven percent (37%) believe the protests are phony.
Most voters believe that middle class tax cuts are more important than new spending on health care.
Recent polling has shown that the public is fairly evenly divided about the health insurance proposals being made by the president and congressional leaders of his party. However, those who feel strongly about the issue are more likely to oppose the effort.
As Congress has debated potential reforms, confidence in U.S. health care system has increased. Just 19% of Americans now rate the overall system as poor while 48% say it’s good or excellent.
Voters are fairly evenly divided in their views of the protesters at town hall meetings, but 49% believe they are genuinely expressing the views of their neighbors. Thirty-seven percent (37%) believe the protests are phony.
Most voters believe that middle class tax cuts are more important than new spending on health care.
Ahh, a summary of their health care debate pollshttp://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/healthcare/july_2009/the_public_s_view_of_health_care_debate
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The Public’s View of Health Care Debate
Friday, July 31, 2009
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Over the past few months, Rasmussen Reports has conducted many surveys on the topic of health care reform. As July comes to an end and Congress prepares to take a break from Washington, the following reports highlight public attitudes on a variety of health care topics.
Just 47% Favor Congressional Health Care Reform, 49% Oppose
23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress
Only 18% Say Those With Chronic Conditions Should Pay More in Health Insurance
Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters
50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company
78% Say Health Care Reform Likely to Mean Higher Taxes for the Middle Class
Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success
Americans Evenly Divided Over Urgency of Health Care Reform
Americans Support Universal Health Coverage, But Not If It Covers Illegal Immigrants
Congressional Consensus on Health Care Gets Mixed Reviews from Public
31% Say Healthy Should Be Required to Buy Health Insurance
50% Support More Taxes on Alcohol To Help Fund Universal Health Care
42% Favor Free Health Care For All Americans – Unless Their Own Coverage Has To Change
56% of Uninsured Rate U.S. Health Care System as Poor, 26% Receive Poor Care
32% Would Pay Higher Taxes to Provide Health Insurance for All
35% Rate U.S. Health Care Good or Excellent
70% of Insured Rate Health Insurance Coverage As Good or Excellent
Most Arizona Voters Put Immigration Over Health Care as More Important Reform Goal
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Over the past few months, Rasmussen Reports has conducted many surveys on the topic of health care reform. As July comes to an end and Congress prepares to take a break from Washington, the following reports highlight public attitudes on a variety of health care topics.
Just 47% Favor Congressional Health Care Reform, 49% Oppose
23% Believe Health Care Costs Will Go Down if Reform Passes Congress
Only 18% Say Those With Chronic Conditions Should Pay More in Health Insurance
Cost, Not Universal Coverage, is Top Health Care Concern for Voters
50% Oppose Government Health Insurance Company
78% Say Health Care Reform Likely to Mean Higher Taxes for the Middle Class
Massachusetts: 26% Consider State’s Health Care Reform a Success
Americans Evenly Divided Over Urgency of Health Care Reform
Americans Support Universal Health Coverage, But Not If It Covers Illegal Immigrants
Congressional Consensus on Health Care Gets Mixed Reviews from Public
31% Say Healthy Should Be Required to Buy Health Insurance
50% Support More Taxes on Alcohol To Help Fund Universal Health Care
42% Favor Free Health Care For All Americans – Unless Their Own Coverage Has To Change
56% of Uninsured Rate U.S. Health Care System as Poor, 26% Receive Poor Care
32% Would Pay Higher Taxes to Provide Health Insurance for All
35% Rate U.S. Health Care Good or Excellent
70% of Insured Rate Health Insurance Coverage As Good or Excellent
Most Arizona Voters Put Immigration Over Health Care as More Important Reform Goal
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10 Aug 2009, 3:48 pm
Worth noting:
* AUGUST 7, 2009
France Fights Universal Care's High Cost
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124958049241511735.html
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The problem is that Assurance Maladie has been in the red since 1989. This year the annual shortfall is expected to reach €9.4 billion ($13.5 billion), and €15 billion in 2010, or roughly 10% of its budget.
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Just like U.S. insurers and pharmacy-benefit managers, France's national health insurer is promoting the use of cheaper generic drugs, penalizing patients when they don't use them by basing reimbursements on generic-drug prices.
The most important aspect of Mr. Sarkozy's latest health-care legislation, passed this summer, focuses on reducing costs at state hospitals. About two-thirds of France's hospitals are state-run, and they are seen as ripe for efficiency savings. Among other things, Mr. Sarkozy has asked them to hire more business managers and behave more like private companies, for instance, by balancing their budgets.
The proposals didn't go down well.
The most important aspect of Mr. Sarkozy's latest health-care legislation, passed this summer, focuses on reducing costs at state hospitals. About two-thirds of France's hospitals are state-run, and they are seen as ripe for efficiency savings. Among other things, Mr. Sarkozy has asked them to hire more business managers and behave more like private companies, for instance, by balancing their budgets.
The proposals didn't go down well.
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Yet even the smallest budget moves are proving controversial. Local residents are up in arms over a cost-cutting measure that makes patients pay €1.10 an hour to park at the hospital. 
"It's a scandal," says retired local Communist politician Gérard Eude. "It goes against the very idea of universal health care.
" "It's a scandal," says retired local Communist politician Gérard Eude. "It goes against the very idea of universal health care.Quote:
Tilting the Balance
Since France began building up its universal health-care system, in 1945, successive governments have been faced with the challenge of balancing the national health insurance budget without going back on the original promise of taking good care of the entire population. For the past three decades, small reductions in health care coverage and incremental increases in health-care taxes have been the main recipe.
1976 -- Coverage of ambulance costs is reduced.
1977 -- Coverage of some medications is reduced. Some hospital beds are closed.
1982 -- Patients must pay a "moderating fee" of 20 francs (3 euros) out of pocket when they are hospitalized.
1985 -- Coverage of some paramedical procedures is reduced.
1986 -- Increase in health-care payroll taxes.
1987 -- Letters sent to the national health insurance must be stamped.
1988 -- Creation of a special tax on medication advertising to help fund health care.
1990 -- Introduction of the CSG, a new tax levied on all types of income to help fund health care.
1991 -- Increase in health-care taxes levied on payroll.
1993 -- Increase in CSG rate. Coverage of doctor consultation is reduced.
1996 -- Increase in health-care taxes. A new health-care tax is levied on private health-care plans.
1999 -- New tax levied on drug makers when their revenue exceeds a pre-defined level.
2000 -- Doctors are required to explain to the national health insurance why they granted a worker sick leave.
2003 -- The "moderating fee," which was increased over time, is raised to 15 euros.
2004 -- Patients must register with a "preferred" general practitioner who will reroute them toward specialists when necessary, or face lower reimbursement for care.
2005 -- The national health insurance deducts 1 euro off doctor consultation fees before it starts calculating how much it must reimburse patients.
2008 -- The national health insurance deducts 50 cents off every pack of medicine before it starts calculating how much it must reimburse patients.
Source: WSJ research.
Since France began building up its universal health-care system, in 1945, successive governments have been faced with the challenge of balancing the national health insurance budget without going back on the original promise of taking good care of the entire population. For the past three decades, small reductions in health care coverage and incremental increases in health-care taxes have been the main recipe.
1976 -- Coverage of ambulance costs is reduced.
1977 -- Coverage of some medications is reduced. Some hospital beds are closed.
1982 -- Patients must pay a "moderating fee" of 20 francs (3 euros) out of pocket when they are hospitalized.
1985 -- Coverage of some paramedical procedures is reduced.
1986 -- Increase in health-care payroll taxes.
1987 -- Letters sent to the national health insurance must be stamped.
1988 -- Creation of a special tax on medication advertising to help fund health care.
1990 -- Introduction of the CSG, a new tax levied on all types of income to help fund health care.
1991 -- Increase in health-care taxes levied on payroll.
1993 -- Increase in CSG rate. Coverage of doctor consultation is reduced.
1996 -- Increase in health-care taxes. A new health-care tax is levied on private health-care plans.
1999 -- New tax levied on drug makers when their revenue exceeds a pre-defined level.
2000 -- Doctors are required to explain to the national health insurance why they granted a worker sick leave.
2003 -- The "moderating fee," which was increased over time, is raised to 15 euros.
2004 -- Patients must register with a "preferred" general practitioner who will reroute them toward specialists when necessary, or face lower reimbursement for care.
2005 -- The national health insurance deducts 1 euro off doctor consultation fees before it starts calculating how much it must reimburse patients.
2008 -- The national health insurance deducts 50 cents off every pack of medicine before it starts calculating how much it must reimburse patients.
Source: WSJ research.
10 Aug 2009, 3:52 pm
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