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20 Aug 2009, 7:41 pm

Sand wrote:

Klaatu barada nikto

I have totally no idea about Klingon. I mean I've watched a bit of Startrek in the past, but never gotten too deep into it and certainly not deep enough to translate Klingon.

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20 Aug 2009, 7:46 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Sand wrote:

Klaatu barada nikto

I have totally no idea about Klingon. I mean I've watched a bit of Startrek in the past, but never gotten too deep into it and certainly not deep enough to translate Klingon.

This is way, way pre Klingon. Look it up.

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21 Aug 2009, 2:01 am

Thankfully, i don't live in the U.S, so i don't have to answer that. I rather not align myself too much with a party. -.- (i have a short voting history, so i doubt that would be enough to say where i stand)

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21 Aug 2009, 2:55 am

I wouldn't consider myself to be either.

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21 Aug 2009, 5:27 am

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My views are probably further to the "left" of both the Republicans and the Democrats. I'm a Canadian and am very sympathetic to how things are run over there, on many issues. Whenever I read any tirade against "big government" I'm always quite puzzled. I'd swear that many Americans have been brainwashed to think that a government offering essential services to its people amounts to the enabling of a centrally planned economy similar to North Korea's.

I definitely agree. I'd class myself as a Progressive.

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21 Aug 2009, 6:48 am

I've always been "independent" but because I'm more conservative on many values, for a time I identified with the Republican party. Since ultimately both parties are corrupt, I really don't care for either of them.

I'm more libertarian now than anything else.

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21 Aug 2009, 6:53 am

I am a free marketeer. I detest collectivist systems. Boo Hiss on Socialism, Fascism, Communism. There is no such thing as collective property. All property is controlled by someone or some discernible group of people.

Despite its rough edges, Capitalism wins the economics race.

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21 Aug 2009, 7:08 am

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And the race ends with a jump over the cliff.

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21 Aug 2009, 7:18 am

Sand wrote:

And the race ends with a jump over the cliff.

Better to jump off as a free person than to live as a cog in some Socialist gear train. Until we go Off the Cliff we capitalists we have much more fun and goodies than the fascists, socialists, commies and pinko stinko liberals. The fact that people run from dictatorial socialist or fascists regimes to come to the U.S. and struggle here for the goodies is proof that capitalism, warts and all wins the beauty contest.

At its best socialism is a rationing scheme for doling out scarcity in a "fair" manner. It is not the ideal system for the brightest, the best and the ambitious. If Andrew Carnegie, who came to the U.S. with just the clothes on his back and a dollar and change in his pocket, had stayed in Scotland he would have died a mediocre man. In the U.S. he became the first billionaire and this with with later 19th century dollars. He outdid Bill Gates. If Tom Edison lived in England it is doubtful that he would have become the industrial power house (quite literally) that he became in the U.S.

In the U.S. we have bigger and more, if not better.

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21 Aug 2009, 10:46 am

I don't see much difference between them. Seems they agree on all the issues I care about.

I'm just anti-government in general. Anarchist, I suppose...

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21 Aug 2009, 10:48 am

forweg wrote:

I don't see much difference between them. Seems they agree on all the issues I care about.

I'm just anti-government in general. Anarchist, I suppose...

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21 Aug 2009, 10:50 am

forweg wrote:

I don't see much difference between them. Seems they agree on all the issues I care about.

I'm just anti-government in general. Anarchist, I suppose...

You may think you are anarchist, but I will bet your would not want to live in a real live anarchic society such as Somalia. Anarchy works fine if practiced by nice decent folks who have self control. This is not descriptive of a good part of the human race. According to Hobbes without governments the strong would eat the weak alive.

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21 Aug 2009, 10:53 am

ruveyn wrote:

forweg wrote:

I don't see much difference between them. Seems they agree on all the issues I care about.

I'm just anti-government in general. Anarchist, I suppose...

In other words, the government is the only expert at cooking and serving humans in a delectable form.

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21 Aug 2009, 10:57 am

^ :lmao: Nice one Sand...

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21 Aug 2009, 11:40 am

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Well, I am relatively sure that most anarchists don't want to live in Somalia, and I am relatively sure that most communists wouldn't want to live in North Korea. The question isn't whether we can argue that Somalia or North Korea fit into the belief, but rather whether or not the belief we describe necessarily leads to Somalia or North Korea.

In any case, if Somalia is anarchist, then Hobbes is at least partially wrong, as the Hobbesian view is closer to the notion that something like this is impossible("without government the strong eat the weak alive"), but if you say Somalia is anarchist, then a flat contradiction to this idea exists, as Somalia is in some ways doing better than it did without it's government.

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21 Aug 2009, 1:57 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

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In any case, if Somalia is anarchist, then Hobbes is at least partially wrong, as the Hobbesian view is closer to the notion that something like this is impossible("without government the strong eat the weak alive"), but if you say Somalia is anarchist, then a flat contradiction to this idea exists, as Somalia is in some ways doing better than it did without it's government.

I suppose a very bad government can be worse than no government at all. In any case would you choose to live in Somalia as it is now? If not, why not? A slightly obnoxious government that interferes with one's personal life might be better than life in a shooting galery.

The problem with Somalia is the property rights are not protected, so no one is going to invest large sums of money into Somolia to turn it into a half way civilized industrial society. Life in Somolia will be be economically marginal for the foreseeable future.

In theory an anarchistic society could evolve into a minimalist state, with a minimal government (or the operating equivalent thereof). But this has not happened in Somolia nor is it likely to. The same could be said of Haiti which is another sh*t pile.

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