Do you consider yourself more a Democrat or Republican?

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21 Aug 2009, 1:57 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
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In any case, if Somalia is anarchist, then Hobbes is at least partially wrong, as the Hobbesian view is closer to the notion that something like this is impossible("without government the strong eat the weak alive"), but if you say Somalia is anarchist, then a flat contradiction to this idea exists, as Somalia is in some ways doing better than it did without it's government.


I suppose a very bad government can be worse than no government at all. In any case would you choose to live in Somalia as it is now? If not, why not? A slightly obnoxious government that interferes with one's personal life might be better than life in a shooting galery.

The problem with Somalia is the property rights are not protected, so no one is going to invest large sums of money into Somolia to turn it into a half way civilized industrial society. Life in Somolia will be be economically marginal for the foreseeable future.

In theory an anarchistic society could evolve into a minimalist state, with a minimal government (or the operating equivalent thereof). But this has not happened in Somolia nor is it likely to. The same could be said of Haiti which is another sh*t pile.

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21 Aug 2009, 2:30 pm

I'd say right of center independent. Don't like the religious right in the Republican Party or the far left that controls the Democrats(and the media).



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21 Aug 2009, 2:55 pm

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I'd say right of center independent. Don't like the religious right in the Republican Party or the far left that controls the Democrats(and the media).


Is that more for social issues, financial or both?



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21 Aug 2009, 2:56 pm

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I suppose a very bad government can be worse than no government at all. In any case would you choose to live in Somalia as it is now? If not, why not? A slightly obnoxious government that interferes with one's personal life might be better than life in a shooting galery.

The problem with Somalia is the property rights are not protected, so no one is going to invest large sums of money into Somolia to turn it into a half way civilized industrial society. Life in Somolia will be be economically marginal for the foreseeable future.

In theory an anarchistic society could evolve into a minimalist state, with a minimal government (or the operating equivalent thereof). But this has not happened in Somolia nor is it likely to. The same could be said of Haiti which is another sh*t pile.

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As opposed to the glorious nation of Swaziland, which put most of it's financial resources on a luxury Jet plane for it's monarch?


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21 Aug 2009, 5:01 pm

ruveyn wrote:
I suppose a very bad government can be worse than no government at all. In any case would you choose to live in Somalia as it is now? If not, why not? A slightly obnoxious government that interferes with one's personal life might be better than life in a shooting galery.

No, I wouldn't choose to live in Somalia as it is right now, and for essentially the same reasons why I am likely to stay out of Africa. Somalia, like most African countries, is relatively poor, and has governance that is inferior to that of the US.

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The problem with Somalia is the property rights are not protected, so no one is going to invest large sums of money into Somolia to turn it into a half way civilized industrial society. Life in Somolia will be be economically marginal for the foreseeable future.

Which is different how than other parts of Africa? Additionally, hasn't there already been investment into Somalia?

http://www.peterleeson.com/Better_Off_Stateless.pdf

"A large part of this progress has been in telecommunications. Local providers have joined forces with
multinationals like Sprint, ITT and Telenor to provide cheaper, higher quality, and more
extensive coverage than ever before (UNDP 2001: 107). In fact, Somalia boasts the cheapest,
clearest cell phone calls on the continent (The Economist 2005)." (pg 20)

"And according to the UN, “In Hargeisa, Mogadishu, and Bosasso, investments in light manufacturing have expanded, indicating local investor confidence in the economy and local security” (UNDP 2001: 39)." (pg 21)

"The financial sector is not alone to attract attention from multinational businesses. Others
have also found stateless Somalia an attractive place to invest. Dole Fruit, for instance, has
invested in Somalia. General Motors’ Kenya subsidiary has as well. Total Oil Company now
operates in Somaliland, and the BBC has forged a formal affiliation with one of Somalia’s
emergent media companies. Several international companies have expressed interest in investing
in Somalia’s energy industry, and numerous fishing fleets from Europe and Asia have reached
agreements for commercial fishing in Puntland (Little 2003: 166-167)." (pg 24)

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In theory an anarchistic society could evolve into a minimalist state, with a minimal government (or the operating equivalent thereof). But this has not happened in Somolia nor is it likely to. The same could be said of Haiti which is another sh*t pile.

ruveyn

Well.... ok? So, in theory the anarchist could be right, therefore one cannot be an anarchist?



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22 Aug 2009, 12:19 am

rensilaer wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
I'd say right of center independent. Don't like the religious right in the Republican Party or the far left that controls the Democrats(and the media).


Is that more for social issues, financial or both?


I'd consider myself fiscally conservative and a social moderate if I understand what you're asking.



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22 Aug 2009, 5:42 pm

Well, i'm from UK, so I'd guess by Democrats being Left Wing and Republic being Right Wing they'd equate in some for to Labour and Conservative respectively.

I'd say i'm further left than Democrats or Labour, due to my preference of Marxist socialism as the governmental system, even if it isn't the wide spread one in the slightest. I guess its because i'm poor, and the more I look at it, even with intelligence, I need a really big break to get an advantage in life. Capitalism puts money before intelligence and personal ability, which is why I despise it so greatly.

Honestly, its the fact that I could compare myself to a rich idiot, who would gain higher chance of getting into a good school or university than me merely by being born into a rich family. I love the ideal of Capitalism, to allow all to get to the top equally, but you don't start on the same footing, so it defeats the proposed ending of the system.

- To add to that it does enjoy devouring resources very quickly. Poor Earth, she can't take much more of bloated corporations taking more resources just to gain more money that they don't need. Stupid selfish humans.


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22 Aug 2009, 6:32 pm

SamAckary wrote:
Well, i'm from UK, so I'd guess by Democrats being Left Wing and Republic being Right Wing they'd equate in some for to Labour and Conservative respectively.

Though British politics is conservative compared to most of Europe, it is economically to the left of the US. The NHS and the BBC would be perceived by many American conservatives as "socialist".



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22 Aug 2009, 7:28 pm

The last Republican I voted for was Barry Goldwater in 1964. The way the Democrats demonized him was heart breaking. Since then I have never voted for a major party candidate. I have voted mostly for libertarians, because that is closest to where I am politically. Last election I sat it out. I cannot stand Ron Paul (he is anti-abortion) and I considered both the Republican and Democratic tickets abominations.

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23 Aug 2009, 5:08 am

Our country is a Democratic Republic. IMO, it's very hackneyed and also rusty >.<...I would still prefer Parliamentary Democracy under Constitutional Monarchy excluding mandatory military service (but well,mandatory military service wouldn't affect us or even me 'cuz i'm a girl and I've heard aspies are excused in that thing :P)


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23 Aug 2009, 1:51 pm

visnofskygirl wrote:
Our country is a Democratic Republic. IMO, it's very hackneyed and also rusty >.<...I would still prefer Parliamentary Democracy under Constitutional Monarchy excluding mandatory military service (but well,mandatory military service wouldn't affect us or even me 'cuz i'm a girl and I've heard aspies are excused in that thing :P)

Why in the world do people feel need to have monarchs? It's an obsolete and immoral concept to boot. >.>


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23 Aug 2009, 2:06 pm

Wow...last time I saw a thread this effectively hijacked, it demanded landing rights in Cuba...;)



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23 Aug 2009, 2:36 pm

Monarchs huh? Well, it happens when a charismatic and powerful leader emerges and somehow manages to form a supernatural explanation to gather resources from his peers, which are then used for trading and later on redistributed by labour offered by him. Oh yeah, and when things don't turn out the way you want, you can decapitate him/her (wasn't that stated in a previous topic?) .



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11 Feb 2019, 11:11 am

I am a Republican for the following reasons: I believe in the 2nd Amendment, I am pro-life, I support our military veterans, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman (I'm christian btw), I believe the death penalty is needed in certain cases, I think safe spaces on college campuses are ridiculous, I believe in free speech, I think burning the American flag is disrespectful to our country and the people that died defending it, I believe that there are only 2 gender, I love God and America :D



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11 Feb 2019, 7:41 pm

Runo Misaki wrote:
I am a Republican for the following reasons: I believe in the 2nd Amendment, I am pro-life, I support our military veterans, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman (I'm christian btw), I believe the death penalty is needed in certain cases, I think safe spaces on college campuses are ridiculous, I believe in free speech, I think burning the American flag is disrespectful to our country and the people that died defending it, I believe that there are only 2 gender, I love God and America :D

There's also gay marriage, and some Christains are actually okay with that. And thare's not just two sexes, but rather there are 5. Just saying.

You don't really support Donald Chump, do you? 8O

BTW, I'm neither a Democrat nor Republican, I'm Independent.