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skafather84
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05 Sep 2009, 12:09 am

What a waste of good money that could be spent on humans and educating and feeding humans instead.


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05 Sep 2009, 12:36 am

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What a waste of good money that could be spent on humans and educating and feeding humans instead.


Sure. And what about the Olympics and comic books and cosmetics and drag racing and liquor and dumb sitcoms. Think of all that money going to education and food for the underprivileged and medicines for the sick.



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05 Sep 2009, 1:21 am

Heh, you'll laugh Sand but i've seen on TV that Hussein Bolt's exploits are motivating the Jamaican youths to run and study. <.<



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05 Sep 2009, 1:27 am

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Heh, you'll laugh Sand but i've seen on TV that Hussein Bolt's exploits are motivating the Jamaican youths to run and study. <.<


Here in Helsinki Hussein Bolt is as mysterious as J.D.Salinger. I never heard of him.



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05 Sep 2009, 1:37 am

Yet you mentioned the Olympics... How deliciously ironic.



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05 Sep 2009, 1:46 am

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Yet you mentioned the Olympics... How deliciously ironic.


I admire the guts and determination of the competitors but watching a bunch of people exercise to complete their attempts in a microsecond or so less time than other previous athletes is, to me, as fascinating as watching paint dry. To participate in sports is no doubt invigorating and perhaps exciting but watching them holds no interest for me at all.



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05 Sep 2009, 2:09 am

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What a waste of good money that could be spent on humans and educating and feeding humans instead.


Do you assume that people have no right to spend their own money on their own pleasure?

The needs of others does not constitute a valid claim on one's own resources.

The hungry folks of the world have no rightful claim on the food, time or money of those that are not hungry.

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05 Sep 2009, 2:35 am

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
What a waste of good money that could be spent on humans and educating and feeding humans instead.


Do you assume that people have no right to spend their own money on their own pleasure?

The needs of others does not constitute a valid claim on one's own resources.

The hungry folks of the world have no rightful claim on the food, time or money of those that are not hungry.

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That's the way to run the world. Screw everybody as long as I've got mine.



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05 Sep 2009, 2:44 am

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That's the way to run the world. Screw everybody as long as I've got mine.


How about being as generous as you will, but with no one holding a gun to your head?

I never said that one should NOT help a person in need. I do say that no one should command generosity by force or threat of force.

People should spend their own money as they think it best to spend it.

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05 Sep 2009, 2:55 am

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Sand wrote:
That's the way to run the world. Screw everybody as long as I've got mine.


How about being as generous as you will, but with no one holding a gun to your head?

I never said that one should NOT help a person in need. I do say that no one should command generosity by force or threat of force.

People should spend their own money as they think it best to spend it.

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Afraid to face the implication so your own words? OK, I'll go along with your last comment. Nobody said anything about force.



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05 Sep 2009, 2:59 am

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Afraid to face the implication so your own words? OK, I'll go along with your last comment. Nobody said anything about force.


What implications? That some will be generous and others stingy. This is normal every day stuff.

In societies with a surplus there is usually enough generosity to prevent wholesale starvation. That is why industrial countries do not look like India did on the old days, with millions starving every year. Voluntary redistribution of resources is usually sufficient to prevent wholesale starvation and a complete breakdown of peace and order.

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05 Sep 2009, 3:08 am

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Sand wrote:
Afraid to face the implication so your own words? OK, I'll go along with your last comment. Nobody said anything about force.


What implications? That some will be generous and others stingy. This is normal every day stuff.

In societies with a surplus there is usually enough generosity to prevent wholesale starvation. That is why industrial countries do not look like India did on the old days, with millions starving every year. Voluntary redistribution of resources is usually sufficient to prevent wholesale starvation and a complete breakdown of peace and order.

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There seems to be a bit of inconsistency in your general view that the world outside of your immediate family is made up of total nasty bastards and your professed faith that generosity is sufficiently abundant to see that everybody is not hungry.



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05 Sep 2009, 6:22 am

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There seems to be a bit of inconsistency in your general view that the world outside of your immediate family is made up of total nasty bastards and your professed faith that generosity is sufficiently abundant to see that everybody is not hungry.


What I said was that I reserve my compassion for my family and kin. For non-harmful neutrals I have have Good Manners. For enemies, I have contempt, contumely, disdain, low regard, dislike, fear and loathing and a desire to destroy them. I am not by nature a kind or sympathetic person, so what little feelings I have are for me and mine. However I am unfailingly polite. For talented and non harmful people I have admiration of their talent and respect for it. There is little in the human world that is admirable, so when I see some talent I respect it and cherish it. As Theodore Sturgeon once said 85 percent of everything is crap, so I am bound to respect the 15 percent that isn't crap.

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What is mine is mine.

I respect property rightfully held. I will not steal what is not mine.

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05 Sep 2009, 7:46 am

I think animals (pets) contribute to our quality of life. For the cost involved maintaining they are often a very cheap therapist.

Some animal charities help reduce stray pet population, that if allowed to get out of control would prove to be a health threat. Our local Humane Society is better prepared, staffed, and trained to handle animals then our local police department's animal control.

I believe you need to respect all life and your environment. I am not a vegan, but I try to stay with locally grown food products.. that are not pumped full with medicine during their life.

I know that there are children in many countries that do not have the food or medical attention they need. But this is caused by greed and corruption, not by lack of resources. We live in a world of abundance; greed is what needs to be cured.



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05 Sep 2009, 8:19 am

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I think animals (pets) contribute to our quality of life. For the cost involved maintaining they are often a very cheap therapist.

Some animal charities help reduce stray pet population, that if allowed to get out of control would prove to be a health threat. Our local Humane Society is better prepared, staffed, and trained to handle animals then our local police department's animal control.

I believe you need to respect all life and your environment. I am not a vegan, but I try to stay with locally grown food products.. that are not pumped full with medicine during their life.

I know that there are children in many countries that do not have the food or medical attention they need. But this is caused by greed and corruption, not by lack of resources. We live in a world of abundance; greed is what needs to be cured.


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