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16 Sep 2009, 8:09 pm

How would I respond to being a slave?

Yes, dear... anything you say love
Ohh I understand, you have a headache.
No, let me get that for you..
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17 Sep 2009, 7:22 am

The correct question of course would be: how do we respond to being a slave?
We are slaves. We must work, we must be politically correct, we must pursue superficial happiness. If we don't, we do not have food, shelter and social acceptance.



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17 Sep 2009, 8:54 am

Carlofirst wrote:
The correct question of course would be: how do we respond to being a slave?
We are slaves. We must work, we must be politically correct, we must pursue superficial happiness. If we don't, we do not have food, shelter and social acceptance.


The necessity of expending effort to support our lives is NOT slavery. It is necessity dictated by Nature, not by man. If we lived alone on a desert island we (each of us) would still have to labor to obtain the necessities of life.

While many people labor at tasks and jobs YOU consider tedious and substandard, most of them do not have gun pointed to their heads nor a lash laid across their flesh. They work, they labor, they are NOT slaves.

The notion of the "wage slave" is a concept stolen by the Marxists to discredit the capitalist system. In point of fact, industrialization did away with chattel slavery.

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17 Sep 2009, 8:56 am

In Soviet Russia, government work you.



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17 Sep 2009, 9:22 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
In Soviet Russia, government work you.


Da, da. Konyeshna. In the Marxist worker's paradise they had real slavery, including labor camps in Siberia.

Which reminds me of a conversation between two Marxisists:

Comrade A: Comes the Revolution we will have whipped cream with our strawberries.

Comrade B: But suppose I don't like whipped cream and strawberries.

Comrade A: Comes the Revolution you will like whipped cream with your strawberries.


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17 Sep 2009, 9:39 am

It matters not. Few people want to be enslaved. They fear the loss of control and suffering. Still, they can be utilised as tools and deprived of their freedom nonetheless. In the grand scale of things, slavery is just a way of getting things done. It may well come into widespread use again, in the future.


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17 Sep 2009, 9:44 am

Anubis wrote:
It matters not. Few people want to be enslaved. They fear the loss of control and suffering. Still, they can be utilised as tools and deprived of their freedom nonetheless. In the grand scale of things, slavery is just a way of getting things done. It may well come into widespread use again, in the future.


I fear you may be correct. As long as Might make Right, the tendency is there waiting to show itself again. Slavery is a manifestation of the human Dark Side.

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17 Sep 2009, 9:53 am

Some would say we are slaves right now....we just have the illusion of freedom.

I suppose we'd have to define "slavery" in its more extreme form.

After all, there is really no such thing as living without restrictions on your liberties. Your rights end where another person's rights begin, so even a libertarian viewpoint imposes restrictions upon you.

I comment about "wage slave," and I find it ironic that it is seen as a Marxist term against the capitalist system because under capitalism, anyone can be an "entrepreneur" and make a living working for themselves...beholden to nobody save the market forces that impact their business.

I've seen more and more Americans compelled to be "employees" and not "businessmen." They become "wage slaves" because they know nothing other than gain a skill then become someone's servant as a means of support. Maybe it's a minor difference, but the alternative about working for yourself is that you enter into every "contract" on fairly equal footing. You have a skill/service/product, they have a need. You are free to negotiate the terms you deal on. If you don't like the terms, you can walk away. If you accept them, they only apply to that customer, not every customer. Employees/"wage slaves" have no choice. Employers are pretty much dictating the terms on a "take it or leave it" standard. More so, employers want to control your options outside the workplace.

As far as how to respond to being a slave, I see two battlegrounds.

Physically, you have little choice if you can't rebel against the system or not participate, you are going to be someone's slave. However....

Mentally, the battleground for slavery is really in the mind. You might have to do a task, but you don't have to respect or love your master. If you study oppressed cultures (slavery, military occupation, etc.) you will find that much of the "resistance" wasn't the often romanticized "freedom fighter" but a legion of "slaves" who took every opportunity to short-sheet their masters. Doing the absolute minimum possible, doing only precisely what was demanded of them, looking for any way to sabotage operations by being wasteful of resources, etc.

This is what makes the indoctrination of a slave population so important. If you have a person by their mind, they will do everything possible to serve you. If you only possess them physically, you get very little back for what you invest into them.