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12 Sep 2009, 9:32 pm

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All electrical activity in the human body takes place in the nervous system & the cells contained in it. Not enough power to power a comp. from what I know (I took an anatomy class). I am not even sure if you could generate enough static electricity using a human + carpet approach or something like that :?. My guess is no. If your talking psychic powers (using regions of the brain to power things that we don't use). We don't use them (I don't know how many "unused" areas of the brain in NT's aspies & auties use) but I doubt a human could be used to power electrical appliances. Though I'm definitely no expert. I'd talk to engineers & doctors about this.


a) HELL NO I'm not talking about psychic power garbage.


b) I understand that it's all in the nervous system and I understand that this alone isn't enough to even power a calculator. Which is why I was also asking that if this process were to be siphoned by another source, if the body would react in such a way to generate more energy; ie, burn more fat cells and metabolize faster much like how more use of your muscles does the same. In other words: patch a small computer or electronic device into the nervous system, thereby siphoning bio-electrical power thereby mandating the body generate more power thereby stimulating the effects of like exercise in terms of what it does to the energy-creating process. I realize I'm thinking outside the box here but it can't be that far outside that it's beyond comprehension of what I'm talking about.


Sounds like your suggestion could turn us into robots. No computer chip is going in my brain/NS! I'm just gonna throw out some interesting facts I read online & in National Geographic:
Scientists are working on ways to clone wooly mammoths & have put Tasmanian Tiger DNA into mice already (I believe just fragments).
I also heard they found a way to wipe memories from the brain (good for trauma victims) but still creepy...
I'd look it up to double check (especially on the memory wiping thing)


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12 Sep 2009, 9:42 pm

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All electrical activity in the human body takes place in the nervous system & the cells contained in it. Not enough power to power a comp. from what I know (I took an anatomy class). I am not even sure if you could generate enough static electricity using a human + carpet approach or something like that :?. My guess is no. If your talking psychic powers (using regions of the brain to power things that we don't use). We don't use them (I don't know how many "unused" areas of the brain in NT's aspies & auties use) but I doubt a human could be used to power electrical appliances. Though I'm definitely no expert. I'd talk to engineers & doctors about this.


The human brain is a physical entity. It has no "psychic" powers. The mind is an epiphenomena or an emergent phenomena of the brain. Since it is the effect of physical causes it is essentially physical and has only the capabilities of physical things.

In a word, humans are made of the same sort of thing as sh*t is.

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Makes sense. Though I wonder if they're may be a limbo region between the conscious & unconscious mind? Mainly b/c I've had instances where I wanted my body to physically do something & it wouldn't (my mind did not seem to be controlling my body) + feeling of "not being connected/in my body once in awhile (its called lack of vaso-something system issues :? ). Plus a limbo region between conscious & unconscious mind (ability to control v. unable to control actions) would explain conditions like dystonia (look it up). Basically, from what I know people with this condition have no/little physical control over their bodies (not same as CP). They may want to turn their arm one way to pick up something, straighten their backs, turn their neck, can't walk in the direction they want to etc. they stuff either doesn't do what they want/think for it to do or does it in the wrong way. Not being able to control your body would be freaky! Its obviously a neurological disorder, but b/c their mind's cannot control they're bodies (you know the "mind over matter phrase", but the mind is technically made of matter b/c it's as ruveyn said the mind is "an emergent phenomena of the brain") this issue w/ the mind/matter not being able to control other matter (the body) makes me wonder if their may be a limbo region... man I need to stop thinking!


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12 Sep 2009, 10:50 pm

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I think that you would be better off with a fuel cell which is piggybacked onto the human's metabolism. If you could work out a way of converting glucose into hydrogen then you might be able to run a fuel cell. I am not sure if any bacteria would have the right enzymes for making glucose (blood sugar) into hydrogen, I do not think that humans would have the right enzymes for that.


We are powered by a fuel cell. Look up ATP and the Krebb Cycle.

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12 Sep 2009, 11:13 pm

Peko wrote:
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All electrical activity in the human body takes place in the nervous system & the cells contained in it. Not enough power to power a comp. from what I know (I took an anatomy class). I am not even sure if you could generate enough static electricity using a human + carpet approach or something like that :?. My guess is no. If your talking psychic powers (using regions of the brain to power things that we don't use). We don't use them (I don't know how many "unused" areas of the brain in NT's aspies & auties use) but I doubt a human could be used to power electrical appliances. Though I'm definitely no expert. I'd talk to engineers & doctors about this.


a) HELL NO I'm not talking about psychic power garbage.


b) I understand that it's all in the nervous system and I understand that this alone isn't enough to even power a calculator. Which is why I was also asking that if this process were to be siphoned by another source, if the body would react in such a way to generate more energy; ie, burn more fat cells and metabolize faster much like how more use of your muscles does the same. In other words: patch a small computer or electronic device into the nervous system, thereby siphoning bio-electrical power thereby mandating the body generate more power thereby stimulating the effects of like exercise in terms of what it does to the energy-creating process. I realize I'm thinking outside the box here but it can't be that far outside that it's beyond comprehension of what I'm talking about.


Sounds like your suggestion could turn us into robots. No computer chip is going in my brain/NS! I'm just gonna throw out some interesting facts I read online & in National Geographic:
Scientists are working on ways to clone wooly mammoths & have put Tasmanian Tiger DNA into mice already (I believe just fragments).
I also heard they found a way to wipe memories from the brain (good for trauma victims) but still creepy...
I'd look it up to double check (especially on the memory wiping thing)


I read H+ Magazine. I don't particularly think going cyborg is a bad thing.

I remember reading about the bad memory thing. I think it's a chemical treatment/psychoactive drug that suppresses bad memories, if I'm not mistaken. It doesn't literally wipe the memory away, however. And I have serious doubts about its effectiveness/how bad the side effects may be from it with long term use.


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13 Sep 2009, 8:31 am

ruveyn wrote:
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I think that you would be better off with a fuel cell which is piggybacked onto the human's metabolism. If you could work out a way of converting glucose into hydrogen then you might be able to run a fuel cell. I am not sure if any bacteria would have the right enzymes for making glucose (blood sugar) into hydrogen, I do not think that humans would have the right enzymes for that.


We are powered by a fuel cell. Look up ATP and the Krebb Cycle.

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True we could be viewed as being a fuel cell, the mitacondria use O2 as the final electron acceptor. I know that cyanide binds strongly to this molecule and that is why it is toxic to most higher life forms. While the glucose is converted via the Krebb cycle (citric acid cycle) to provide the other end of the reaction.

Perhapes we should try to think of a way in which the human could evolve an organ packed with the systems from mitocondria to allow the fuel cell to use O2 as the oxidant, if we were to work out how to reform glucose into H2 we could then evolve a Pd electrode which would make the perfect electrode for a fuel cell. Or better still the cell could run on NADH which would avoid the need to reform glucose into H2.

[joke]The human could even the evolve a socket for plugging in an external load such as an iPOD ![/joke]


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13 Sep 2009, 9:46 am

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The human body produces very little electric power (i.e: forget about the absurd plot of the Matrix films). Worse, the bio-electric power is mostly present in the nerve cells, where chemo-electric pulses travel from one end to the other.

A better approach might be to use the heat for thermo-electric generation, or movement for piezo-electric generation. Even so, these approaches won't produce much power.


I was hoping to tap into the chemo-electric source somehow. It obviously has to go from the stomach and processed somewhere along the line...was hoping maybe to tap into that, stimulate the metabolic processes, burn more calories, and be able to power some small computer devices implanted on a human.


There are already robotic prosthetics that detect signals from the users nerve endings. With regards to implanting computer devices, you might want to google the name "Kevin Warwick" as I believe he did research on that topic.



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21 Sep 2009, 4:48 pm

I think the point is made-by our various expert posters- humans make poor batteries.
But this raises an interesting secondary question.

Are humans good a being walking micro power plants?

Could the body's non-electrical metabolic energy be tapped by some kind of small divice -that inturn- generates electricity?

Then that device could power all your: calculators, your ipods, your cell phones, and etc.

If so- maybe it would cause skinny folks to eat more- but might double as a subsititue for excercise in fat folks. You could just get slim walking around with all your normal portable digital appliances!



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22 Sep 2009, 2:39 pm

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I think the point is made-by our various expert posters- humans make poor batteries.
But this raises an interesting secondary question.

Are humans good a being walking micro power plants?

Could the body's non-electrical metabolic energy be tapped by some kind of small divice -that inturn- generates electricity?

Then that device could power all your: calculators, your ipods, your cell phones, and etc.

If so- maybe it would cause skinny folks to eat more- but might double as a subsititue for excercise in fat folks. You could just get slim walking around with all your normal portable digital appliances!


That was pretty much what I was asking and also inferring that tapping into that small energy source and asking if, by tapping into that energy source, one would be able to stimulate a faster/higher level metabolic process or otherwise take some of those excess calories/fat and put them to use.


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11 Nov 2009, 2:47 pm

dammit...someone beat me to it....unless this is just a concept design and not a working model.


http://www.core77.com/competitions/Gree ... ects/4673/


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Her cell phone is ringing, but the display is turned off. She lightly pushes a small dot on the skin on her left forearm to suddenly reveal a two by four inch tattoo with the image of the cell phone's digital display, directly in the skin of her arm. She answers the call by pushing a tattooed button on her arm. While she's talking, the tattoo comes to life as a digital video of the caller. When she finishes, the tattoo disappears.

This Bluetooth device is permanently implanted beneath the skin. It is flat, flexible, silicon and silicone. Tightly rolled when it's inserted through a small incision, and then unfurled beneath the skin, it lies benignly between skin and muscle.

Through the same incision, two small tubes are attached from the implanted device to an artery and a vein. A coin sized blood fuel cell in the implant converts the blood's glucose and oxygen from the artery to the electricity required to power the device. Used blood returns through to the vein. The digital device's power source is the same as for all of the biological components in the body.

The surface of the implant that faces the underside of the skin is covered with a matrix of field producing pixels that activate a matching matrix of pixels tattooed onto the surface of the skin above the implant. The field penetrates the skin to drive the tattooed display, while the skin continues to provide its function of sealing the body from the world. The surface of the implant is also a touch screen control, pressed through the skin. Rather than ink, tiny clusters of microscopic spheres are injected, like tattoo ink, into the skin. Each sphere is filled with a field sensitive material that changes from clear to black when a field in the matrix is turned on.

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20 May 2010, 11:50 am

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How is bio-electricity formed/used?

How much bio-electricity is created?


Just asking because I'm bored and thinking about figuring out how to wire up a computer of some sorts into a human that's powered by the human's own bio-electricity but not really sure how much is created/how it could be tapped into/what happens when you have too little bio-electricity. Would you simply just get hungrier? Would that translate into more burned fat?



Old topic but I love it when my ideas come to fruition in some way.

http://gizmodo.com/5543527/implant-harn ... sumed-food


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20 May 2010, 4:12 pm

skafather84 wrote:
How is bio-electricity formed/used?

How much bio-electricity is created?


1. Chemical reaction within cells.

2. No idea. But when you consider what happens if you set fire to glucose in a test tube, it's impressive we don't catch fire by the process going on within our cells.



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20 May 2010, 5:16 pm

See my last post. Apparently someone had the same idea who was actually qualified to do research and work on it.

Can't wait till I can charge my Droid via a nice large plate of pasta.


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