Religion in life of Hitler
02 Oct 2009, 9:42 am
What attitude had Hitler to religion? Was Hitler religious?
02 Oct 2009, 9:47 am
He was a Christian who wished that his German troops showed the kind of nationalist fervor and religious dedication that the Muslims shows. Look up his dealings with Amin Al-Husseini for more info on that.
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03 Oct 2009, 9:09 am
He was brought up as a Catholic. However it seems his religious views always contradicted themselves. For instance, he was big fan of Martin Luther who criticized the catholic church.
Even in one of his quotes from the Mein Kampf he uses religion "I am convinced that I am acting as the agent of our Creator. By fighting off the Jews. I am doing the Lord's work."
I'm not absolutely sure this translation is correct so feel free to correct criticize. I am also not certain about his personal life regarding religion. He destroyed a lot of churches that openly disagreed with his political views but he also had much support by the pope and spoke positively about christianity.
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03 Oct 2009, 9:17 am
He was a Christian, but quite an unorthodox one. Though he did sign a concordat with the Catholic Church, in private he despised them; there's a famous quote from Table Talk in which Hitler claims that Christianity effectively represented a corrupted, "Bolshevised" version of Christ's teachings. From some the extremely religous rhetoric he used both in public and in private it's highly likely that he took religion pretty seriously - it probably played into his delusions of grandeur, allowing him to see himself as a Messiah-type figure; he was very fond of comparing himself to Jesus, and talked often about how he had been sent by Divine Providence. All in all I'd say his version of Christianity was a reformist brand; to him, he correctly understood Christ's message, while the other churches (especially the Catholic Church) did not, and had perverted it. He desired to establish a unified Reich Church, which would teach the 'correct' version of Christianity (which would of course align with Nazi ideology), and had ties to the German Christian movement, which was a group which wished to 'purify' Christianity of all Jewish influence, including the elimination of the Old Testament.
03 Oct 2009, 2:11 pm
actually, the Nazis tended to view Catholicism with suspicion; not actual persecution, but they thought more on the basis of 'divided loyalties'.
The Nazis did make a half-hearted effort at an 'Aryan' paganistic religion, even built a few temples, but it never caught on....
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03 Oct 2009, 2:16 pm
http://www.remnantofgod.org/NaziRCC.htm
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04 Oct 2009, 9:46 am
He was essentially Christian (hence the Pope of the day was a supporter - better the Nazis than the Communists who didn't agree with religion). You might find some very interesting stuff if you google ratlines vatican nazi
(or look at wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratlines_(history))
Hitler was also very into the occult... and not always in a Christian manner... hence films like Raiders of the Lost Ark have some basis in truth.. He did seek occult artifacts - and got some (including the Spear of Longinus).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Lance
04 Oct 2009, 9:54 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Lance
More Himmler. Though occult is actually not quite the word you are looking for, it is mystism. Arguably Hitler was a sociopath and used whatever devises to his disposal, which means his so called beliefs are open to question. Mystism was useful in uniting the Third Reich, but he would have been foolish to expose these ideas to the general population.
04 Oct 2009, 10:59 am
I don't believe that Hitler was a Christian, but I also don't believe that he was an atheist. I think Hitler was a very devious politician, and devious polities are well known for sprinkling their public comments with a lot of right-sounding words to win people over to their worldview. Here are a couple examples of Hitler's "right-sounding words":
"I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers..." Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930.
"Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration: 1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..." Hitler said in a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939.
Many of Hitler's private conversations were taken down by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk. Here are just a few of the statements that Hitler made during some of his conversations about Christianity:
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death." - Hitler October 14, 1941.
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." - Hitler- October 19, 1941.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," - Hitler, 13 December 1941.
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04 Oct 2009, 7:40 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Lance
More Himmler. Though occult is actually not quite the word you are looking for, it is mystism. Arguably Hitler was a sociopath and used whatever devises to his disposal, which means his so called beliefs are open to question. Mystism was useful in uniting the Third Reich, but he would have been foolish to expose these ideas to the general population.
True ... much more Himmer but Hitler was aware and was involved in the Thule society... and yes, they kept it secret.
Hitler was very much a Christian and indeed the swastika symbol was on his local church where he grew up. I've seen pictures of the stained glass windows. Also... it's much older than that since a variant is linked to Buddhism.
If nothing else, Hitler was a brilliant speaker. He didn't always use the right words though. Often he spoke the truth as he saw it - and many of the things he said were ugly. People still followed him.
The views he had of Jewish people weren't simply the words of a sociopath. It seems that many other countries echoed those words. We don't have obvious Jewish areas in Australia and I wouldn't know a Jewish person if I saw them - in any case, I don't personally distinguish with race or religion. I was therefore horrified when interviewing a great uncle on the depression in Australia (for a school project) and he launched into a tirade of racism. It was then that I learned that his views weren't as unique as I would have liked them to be.
He wasn't necessarily devious, he spoke on issues that affected his people and he gave them definite scapegoats. The fact that people on the edge of starvation (which the Weimar republic was) could so easily move from dislike to deadly hatred says little about the German people - I think it's humanity in general. Especially given the similar situations which still exist in various countries today.
BTW: Hopefully I haven't offended anyone here - I mean no disrespect.
08 Oct 2009, 7:16 am
"I think I can assure you that there is no one in Germany who will not with all his heart approve any honest attempt at an improvement of relations between Germany and France. My own feelings force me to take the same attitude... The German people has the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers..." Hitler to the French fascist Hervé and published in the Nazi Völkischer Beobachter on October 26, 1930.
"Amongst the accusations which are directed against Germany in the so called democracies is the charge that the National Socialist State is hostile to religion. In answer to that charge I should like to make before the German people the following solemn declaration: 1. No one in Germany has in the past been persecuted because of his religious views, nor will anyone in the future be so persecuted..." Hitler said in a speech in the Reichstag on 30 Jan. 1939.
Many of Hitler's private conversations were taken down by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk. Here are just a few of the statements that Hitler made during some of his conversations about Christianity:
"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death." - Hitler October 14, 1941.
"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity." - Hitler- October 19, 1941.
"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," - Hitler, 13 December 1941.
I think a distinction has to be made between the institution of Christianity, the churches and their theological viewpoints, and the teachings of Jesus himself. Hitler certainly did criticise the Churches, but he never once said a bad word about Jesus, speaking always of him in admiring terms. I think this quote illustrates the distinction in his mind:
Table Talk p76.
The decisive falsification of Jesus's doctrine was the work of St. Paul. He gave himself to this work with subtlety and for purposes of personal exploitation. For the Galiean's object was to liberate His country from Jewish oppression. He set Himself against Jewish capitalism, and that's why the Jews liquidated Him.
To Hitler, Christianity represented a view in opposition to what Jesus taught, and that Jesus did not intend for Christianity to end up the way it did. It would be quite natural, then, that considering himself to be someone who truly understood Christ's message that he would privately direct considerable venom towards those he considered to have deliberately corrupted it. To him, 'Christianity' simply meant "a corrupted, Bolshevised version of Jesus's teachings". His views were pretty similar to other religious reformers, such as Luther (who he admired), who also was well known for accusing the Catholic Church of corrupting Jesus's message. He was a Christian in the strictest sense (i.e. someone who believes the supernatural claims about Jesus and considers his teachings to be of merit), even though he might have considered the label 'Christian' to be tainted by the association of the 'falsifiers' of Jesus's doctrine, and to only refer to them.
08 Oct 2009, 8:10 am
Hitler was an apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ, Aryan. Hitler could not conceive of Jesus of Nazareth being the son of a Jewish man and woman. This crackbrain notion the Jesus was not a Jew is reflected in the portraits of Christ produced during the renaissance. They show Jesus as Gentile with a Greek or Roman face. No dark hair, thick lips or hooked nose for Jesus! Jesus has a face that was a thing of beauty and a Goy forever.
ruveyn
09 Oct 2009, 4:01 am
OP, it's hard to say where he stood on this subject. Hitler did dabble with mysticism, whether or not that was tactical or sincere, I doubt a true Christian would have.
On the other hand, he did promote Christianity in his KKK (Kirche Küche Kindern - Church, kitchen, children).
Most likely he simply used whatever tool he found helpful to reach his goals. Religion is opium for the people, let them gather around it. Mysticism helped him gather a flock of inner circle people who knew 'the truth'.
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