Has modern culture lost touch with the warrior ideal?

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27 Dec 2009, 10:44 pm

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Fourthly, the reviled "Reds" had their fair share in the defeat of Hitler too. Hitler wasn't destroyed by Roosevelt; instead he was destroyed because both Roosevelt and Stalin were breathing in his neck, on two seperate fronts.

They did far more than their fair share- the Soviets had by far the greatest death toll of any combatant nation, most of the actual fighting was done on their territory, and they were the ones who halted the Nazi war machine, then turned it back, and then liberated most of eastern and central Europe from Nazi rule.


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27 Dec 2009, 11:24 pm

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Keine lust translates to no energy and the lyrics are about a morbidly obese person having no desire for sex.

It is a very strange match to that video.


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28 Dec 2009, 10:59 am

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A hunter is one who provides. A warrior takes what is not his by force.


You could say the same thing about a hunter. A hunter takes deer, boar, and various other animals that "aren't his." I don't see how that's any different from killing a human being.


Deer and boars are not people.

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28 Dec 2009, 3:43 pm

If you want a dose of warrior culture, I'd watch Mixed Martial Arts. Two people get in a cage and beat the hell out of each other, and usually shake hands or hug and compliment one another afterwards. BJ Penn comes from a rich Hawaiian family, and fights basically because he wants to prove he's the best. Lyoto Machida grew up training in his father's style of Shotokan karate, and fights to show what their style can do. MMA fighters are about as close as you can get to real warriors without actually killing anyone.



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29 Dec 2009, 9:40 pm

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Compassion should extend only to one's people/tribe and those one's people/tribe take under their wing or are taken under the wing of. Any sense of compassion beyond that is unreasonable and foolish and weakens the soul and mind. Over-extensive compassion causes the spirit to become lazy and unfit to continue to survive without some kind of crutch for support.
How one can't be inspired by tales of battle is something I fail to understand: ancient sagas that tell of sweeping, stirring wars, of men against men, and men against gods and spirits, of gods against giants and demons, and all of these tales lend a valuable cultural archetype, of those who defend and those who rebel and those who undertake the honorable task of, as has been said, "taking by force what is not theirs," which is something that takes a lot of courage. Most are too cowardly to take what isn't theirs, yet the Norsemen of old had the courage to take the treasure and property and women and of the English and Irish by force, and would risk their lives and shed gallons of red to do so. That's something you have to admire. Yet the tales of warriors, both true and false, are now treated the same way a backwoods midwestern farmer with no indoor plumbing would have treated the latest issue of the Sears-Roebuck catalogue: as toilet paper. Just imagine how different the world would be if the United States had not been under the leadership of a man who was willing to help the other Allied powers defeat Hitler, Tojo and Mussolini, or what would have happened if the south had been allowed to secede from the Union and continue the practice of keeping and abusing slaves.

I'd say those applications of brutality have done more honor to humanity than can possibly even be imagined.


did no one else notice that this guy is equating women to property? women are not objects that can be owned and therefore taken from another person......THEY ARE PEOPLE!! hello????

this thing is either a sociopath or a troll.

don't feed the trolls.



.... Unfortunately women WERE officially used as property everywhere, I don't think that bit meant he thought of women as property.

If you are in England, they still kind of officially are. They are valued at about thirty shekels of silver if you want to buy one that's for sale, seeing as the church is not seperate from government.

Anyone can be made into property as a slave and because this requires physical might it is most commonly a male taking over a female or other male.



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30 Dec 2009, 11:05 pm

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Has it?
It seems that historically, among ancient and medieval European and Asian cultures and a number of Native American cultures it was seen as respectable and honorable to stand up for and defend what you believed in, not by marching around holding up signs and shouting bland slogans, but by breaking enemy ranks and slaying foes, even as recently as World War II.
However, it seems like post-Vietnam modern culture seems to have lost touch with the idea of the honorable warrior, and with that archetype blatantly trampled and spat upon by self-professed peace activists, who want us to deny and hate our history, an important archetype is missing from our collective cultural consciousness, and that seems to bespeak a tragic lack in the stories and concepts that inspire us as human beings.


you forget nature changes.

"warrior cultures" are only safe when total populations are less than 100's at the time, such as in jungle tribes.

with our populations of millions upon millions "warrior cultures" is something too expensive to meddle with. remember each time we level a city, we have to pay to rebuild it.


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30 Dec 2009, 11:12 pm

ZEGH8578 wrote:
Yupa wrote:
Has it?
It seems that historically, among ancient and medieval European and Asian cultures and a number of Native American cultures it was seen as respectable and honorable to stand up for and defend what you believed in, not by marching around holding up signs and shouting bland slogans, but by breaking enemy ranks and slaying foes, even as recently as World War II.
However, it seems like post-Vietnam modern culture seems to have lost touch with the idea of the honorable warrior, and with that archetype blatantly trampled and spat upon by self-professed peace activists, who want us to deny and hate our history, an important archetype is missing from our collective cultural consciousness, and that seems to bespeak a tragic lack in the stories and concepts that inspire us as human beings.


you forget nature changes.

"warrior cultures" are only safe when total populations are less than 100's at the time, such as in jungle tribes.

with our populations of millions upon millions "warrior cultures" is something too expensive to meddle with. remember each time we level a city, we have to pay to rebuild it.


That the costs of war is to be considered unacceptable on the basis of architectural reconstruction is, frankly, horrifyingly callous.



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31 Dec 2009, 5:25 am

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That the costs of war is to be considered unacceptable on the basis of architectural reconstruction is, frankly, horrifyingly callous.[/quote]

While I agree, I think it is worth noting that most of the world considers many AS oriented values horrifyingly callous to begin with.