ruveyn wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
It would also behoove us to stop calling flexibly programmable humans Real Intelligence. No matter how cleverly we get out babies to do things, they are not intelligent. They are simply executing rules specified by physics.
The universe is what it is. Humans write the laws of physics to describe how the universe is. Laws are man-made artifacts, even the laws of physics.
Humans are no programmed by an intelligent entity. They are physical entities that operate in the manner of physical entities and whose operation is partially described by the man-made laws of physics.
Laws are not causes, they are descriptions.
ruveyn
I didnt say squat about human laws. I did not say squat about descriptions or perceptions of physics. I said that humans operate based purely on the interactions that are factors of the universe. Reason or perception has nothing to do with that. Our actions are fully based on the workings of the universe, regardless of how correctly we codify it. I dont believe in free will either. We are ultimately sub atomic automations just as the whole universe is.
I also didnt suggest that humans were created by an intelligence. That which we create is a secondary function of our existence. In that sense, our inventions are no more created by an intelligence than we were.
The logical conclusion is that anything we create has the potential to achieve exactly that which we can and have achieved. "no matter how cleverly we get our babies..."
Lately your posts have sounded suspiciously like several old guys that should have known better.
You know Lord Kelvin? It was said for the first half of his life he was never wrong. For the second half, he was never right.
Lord Kelvin wrote:
"There is nothing new to be discovered in physics now, All that remains is more and more precise measurement."
"X-rays will prove to be a hoax."
"Radio has no future."
"Trust you will avoid the gigantic mistake of alternating current."
Quote:
...no possible combination of known substances, known forms of machinery, and known forms of force, can be united in a practical machine by which man shall fly long distances through the air...
- Simon Newcomb (1835-1909)
Lately you seem to be dulling in your arguments, dismissive of potentialities that disrupt your world view.
Are you getting feeble rigid, unable to grasp a future that you will not see?
It is said that in the beginning of life, we can see the future, but only vaguely. In the middle years, we have some vision both ways. But in the autumn of our years, life is primarily about hindsight. About life already lived.
Lately you sound like "There is nothing new to be discovered". How ridiculous is that?
I'd like to close with this:
Quote:
If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done.
- Peter Ustinov
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07 Dec 2009, 1:00 pm
