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24 Jul 2014, 1:40 am

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Is ts really artificial intelligence, or are scientists manipulating already intelligent materials into an order whereby we can recognize them to be so?

You can make a chatbot by utilizing the same principle shown by Derren Brown in this clip:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=evZmpsl3jI0[/youtube]



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24 Jul 2014, 6:37 am

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Is ts really artificial intelligence, or are scientists manipulating already intelligent materials into an order whereby we can recognize them to be so?


The thing to remember about AI is not that it has anything to do with making a computer think like a human or in any way similar to a human.

It is about making a computer make decisions or deductions that we would tend to describe as intelligent.



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24 Jul 2014, 10:50 pm

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ripped wrote:
Is ts really artificial intelligence, or are scientists manipulating already intelligent materials into an order whereby we can recognize them to be so?


The thing to remember about AI is not that it has anything to do with making a computer think like a human or in any way similar to a human.

It is about making a computer make decisions or deductions that we would tend to describe as intelligent.


Which is the same thing. When a sculptor produces an immaculate rendering of a female form for example, we don't call it artificial beauty.

Intelligence need not be human to be recognizable as intelligence.

Or more to the point, at specifically what level does the logic and deduction of a human mind become so ( magical? special? I can't find a non-inflammatory adjective to put here. 8O ) that other forms of intelligence cannot compare to it?



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24 Jul 2014, 11:41 pm

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...at specifically what level does the logic and deduction of a human mind become so ( magical? special? I can't find a non-inflammatory adjective to put here. 8O ) that other forms of intelligence cannot compare to it?

Logic is merely a cognitive process. Human action is goal-driven. We act in accordance with needs, wants and desires. Sleep, food, ambitions, curiosity, love, personal interests, just to name a few. We can utilize logic to solve and cope with processes important to us as humans, but what initiates this or similar hypothetical procesess cannot be readily translated and incorporated into systems mimicking intelligence as we know it. What goals would motivate a computer?



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25 Jul 2014, 5:06 am

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What goals would motivate a computer?


At some point during the development of AI's a programmer would likely embed "prime directives" into a computer; for example seek out more knowledge with an aim to understanding the physical world. Asimov came up with his three laws of robotics which are also a good basis.

In humans those directives evolved as "Self preservation and reproduce" and all our other needs, wants and desires are subordinate to those two prime directives or instincts.

If scientists/programmers ever produce nanites with the ability to reproduce themselves and give them the same two prime directives / instincts then the lid will be well and truly off Pandora's box! Welcome to the world of grey goo.


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25 Jul 2014, 5:16 am

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Welcome to the world of grey goo.

Here it is:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0dYPnui3rM[/youtube]



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25 Jul 2014, 5:28 am

^ Excellent video. Funny but also a stark warning about what could really happen at some point in the not too distant future. Can you imagine what would happen with that technology in the hands of Islamic extremists or psychotic dictators? Even a kid with a lab in his parents basement... oops, didn't mean to do that... too late. There is also the possibility of accidents of labs in what are supposedly well regulated environments as evidenced recently by accidental leaks of dangerous man-made viruses (thankfully subsequently contained).


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25 Jul 2014, 5:32 am

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Can you imagine what would happen with that technology in the hands of Islamic extremists or psychotic dictators?

Yes.

Interesting subject.



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25 Jul 2014, 6:03 am

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Can you imagine what would happen with that technology in the hands of Islamic extremists or psychotic dictators?

Yes.

Interesting subject.


It is interesting to speculate what could happen after release of such self replicating nanites. I wonder if it would mirror the evolution of organic life on earth from simple self-replicating chemicals. In other words, some of the nanites could evolve minor changes due to mutations/faults in their reproduction process or internal blue-plan for their own design. On this basis a slightly more "evolved" nanite could start "eating" other nanites and thus the whole arms race of evolution begins. I wonder if this could lead to the natural evolution of truly intelligent robots e.g. the mechanical equivalents of humans while the rest of the planet has millions of varieties of nanites taking advantage of each type of environmental niche e.g. within the oceans, on the surface taking advantage of sunlight for energy, below the surface using other forms of energy. A whole planet with mechanical "plants", "animals", "bacteria" and so on. I wonder if the intelligent robots would contemplate their origin and invent gods to explain it?


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25 Jul 2014, 7:02 am

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I wonder if the intelligent robots would contemplate their origin and invent gods to explain it?

This sounds a bit oxymoronic.



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25 Jul 2014, 7:19 am

Humanaut wrote:
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I wonder if the intelligent robots would contemplate their origin and invent gods to explain it?

This sounds a bit oxymoronic.


The robots may not be ruled entirely by logic, but also by more primitive emotions related to their evolution, much in the same way mankind has multiple brain layers. Before the intelligent robots discover science or the scientific method they could have as little knowledge about the real world as did people in the middle ages. The nanites from which they originally evolved would typically have no more brain power than today's viruses.


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25 Jul 2014, 7:38 am

Viruses are replicators, but I don't think they have managed to evolve into more complex forms. Are nanobots any different?



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25 Jul 2014, 7:49 am

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Viruses are replicators, but I don't think they have managed to evolve into more complex forms. Are nanobots any different?
Nanobots are more like bacteria because they are self sufficient whereas viruses need a host to duplicate the virus RNA for them.


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25 Jul 2014, 8:02 am

If they are anything like bacteria, well, I found this: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11 ... ever-stops



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25 Jul 2014, 8:08 am

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If they are anything like bacteria, well, I found this: http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/11 ... ever-stops


Interesting article, thanks for posting the link.


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