Baby and mother come back from the dead

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01 Jan 2010, 4:48 am

wow. cool. :D


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01 Jan 2010, 6:26 am

I love miracles - especially when doctors are there but can't explain.

Thanks to share that non-trivial news.



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01 Jan 2010, 7:45 am

zena4 wrote:
I love miracles - especially when doctors are there but can't explain.

Thanks to share that non-trivial news.


Just because we do not know the cause of this event is no reason to assume it is a miracle, that we do not know does not equate to god did it


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01 Jan 2010, 8:06 am

I didn't speak of God, I spoke of miracles :roll:

I'm sure you're not the kind to believe in fairy tales, are you?
Nor in animism nor anything else?

Well, miracles are miracles - explained by human kind or not.
In my opinion, of course.



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01 Jan 2010, 9:47 am

Who cares why! It's just amazing. I read about it on the Beeb website last night!


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01 Jan 2010, 10:10 am

zena4 wrote:
I didn't speak of God, I spoke of miracles :roll:

I'm sure you're not the kind to believe in fairy tales, are you?


No, and I suspect our fellow Dent would never bother making a post related to one!


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01 Jan 2010, 10:10 am

Jellybean wrote:
Who cares why! It's just amazing. I read about it on the Beeb website last night!


I agree. Regardless of whether or not it was science or religion, what's important is that a family has the chance at a life together - and that's truly amazing.



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01 Jan 2010, 11:57 am

It is amazing indeed.

Calling something a miracle can also mean it's something we can't (yet) explain; it doesn't necessarily imply God.

Collins Cobuild dictionary gives the following definitions for 'miracle':

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1. a wonderful and surprising event that people believe was caused by God.
2. a very surprising and fortunate event.


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01 Jan 2010, 12:17 pm

If they "came back" then they were not really dead.

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01 Jan 2010, 5:51 pm

ruveyn wrote:
If they "came back" then they were not really dead.

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Depends on how you define 'dead'. There are a number of different definitions of 'dead'/'death':
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The end of life. The cessation of life. (These common definitions of death ultimately depend upon the definition of life, upon which there is no consensus.)
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the cessation of all vital functions, traditionally demonstrated by "an absence of spontaneous respiratory and cardiac functions."
(source of these definitions: medterms.com)
According to the latter definition, they were dead.


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01 Jan 2010, 6:19 pm

ruveyn wrote:
If they "came back" then they were not really dead.


I tend to agree, and the story says it is the father claiming the miracle "after his wife and newborn baby *apparently* came back from the dead" (emphasis added) even though medical staff were still attending to the mother and the baby did have a heartbeat. Nevertheless, “Doctors at [the hospital] said there was no logical explanation for the recovery of the mother or her baby.”

Either way, congratulations to the dad, eh?!


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01 Jan 2010, 7:05 pm

Wow!


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01 Jan 2010, 8:09 pm

yay! :D



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02 Jan 2010, 2:49 pm

Run away. Zombies.

But seriously, how does that work. The heart restarting itself. WTF.


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02 Jan 2010, 3:00 pm

nodice1996 wrote:
Run away. Zombies.

But seriously, how does that work. The heart restarting itself. WTF.


It seems the mother was feeling "tired" while she was nearing delivery, then she evidently "passed out" or seemed to have died or whatever and CPR was begun (and continued all the way along) even after the baby had been removed from her womb. So then, it might have been the stimulation of CPR that restarted her heart, and the news article reports the baby was "limp with a slow heart rate" when it came around.


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