Baby and mother come back from the dead

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Define "dead".

ruveyn

There are no miracles. There are things we understand and things we do not understand. Five hundred years ago a simple flashlight would have been considered a miracle or the work of the Devil.

ruveyn

Understanding is not the deciding factor there, and the idea of something having no explanation apart from divine intervention actually *is* understandable ... and there is no other viable explanation for some things, possibly including the fact that a mother and baby essentially "left for dead" (even if they actually were not) yet live.

Which one of the definitions do you want?
I named a few above (page 1). According to the latter one, the mum was dead and the baby was almost dead.Things we can't explain and which are surprising and fortunate are also called miracles. So they sure exist.

...a word from our field reporter:

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Only as a facon de parler. There are truly no miracles because everything that exists is physical and natural.

ruveyn

... and you can prove that?!

What physical or natural explanation might you have for the fact I no longer drink alcohol? And, I ask within this context:

"Many of us felt that we had plenty of character. There was a tremendous urge to cease forever. Yet we found it impossible. This is the baffling feature of alcoholism as we know it - this utter inability to leave it alone, no matter how great the necessity or the wish ...
"Our human resources, as marshalled by the will, were not sufficient; they failed utterly."
("A.A.", the book, pages 34 and 45)

if i may interject...

you realised your priorities and your faith in yourself helped you to stop drinking... that and support from other people. i believe that is the natural explanation.

you were able to do that because you re-evaluated yourself, found that you wanted to change, and you did change because you are a capable and responsible human being.

i see no magic or miracles involved here, it was all down to you and you achieved a great thing. give yourself some credit.

Certainly!



Yes, I wanted to live ...



I had none of that whatsoever. I had failed completely at life, and I knew there was absolutely nothing I could do for myself. That is my actual and personal experience, and here is one way that is expressed in "A.A.", the book:

"... my friend sat before me, and he made the point-blank declaration that God had done for him what he could not do for himself. His human will had failed. Doctors had pronounced him incurable. Society was about to lock him up. Like myself, he had admitted complete defeat. Then he had, in effect, been raised from the dead, suddenly taken from the scrap heap to a level of life better than the best he had ever known!
"Had this power originated in him? Obviously it had not. There had been no more power in him than there was in me at that minute; and this was none at all." (page 11)



That is some jargon from today's A.A., not the original.



I was willing *to be* changed ...

"To get over drinking will require a transformation of thought and attitude." (page 143)

Then I took the Steps (which included re-evaluating myself as powerless at Step One) in order for an actual change to take place.



I greatly respect and appreciate your thought there, but that is not what happened. When I first got sober, I could not have poured piss from my boot even if you had told me the instructions were on the bottom.



Definitely no magic, but definitely this:

"We, who have recovered from serious drinking, are miracles of mental health." (page 133)

That's amazing! I love how they both "came back to life" at the same time.

He's back !

The man behind the mask......and he's out of control !

Wow, nice article, very heartwarming! I have great faith in the human body, possibly more than anything else in the world. So it didn't surprise me, so much as it did make me glad for the husband, baby and wife!