If God created the universe, then who created God?

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And then it went all wibbly wobbly?

of course.

Typical.

According to the latest cosmic observations the universe is still expanding at a huge rate so God is still creating it and it is obviously such a huge problem He has little attention left to bother with the Earth which is so insignificant in this huge enterprise that whatever has gone wrong is not worth bothering about. It is a mere minor glitch in all that goodness of exploding suns and black holes and blasting energies that so delights a deity.

Why is an uncaused existence so unreasonable?

There is no arguing with that mindset.

Care to elaborate? God itself possesses an uncaused existence, according to most. Why does the addition of a temporal aspect (which the universe, but not God, is supposed to have) necessitate causation?

All observation indicates a dynamic universe of cause and effect. To propose that this does not exist in a theoretical and unobserved phenomena is something acceptable to a mind that reaches for extreme explanation. If that kind of reach is acceptable then that mind is unpersuadable that observed phenomena indicate a universal pattern. I prefer to accept that observed phenomena indicate a universal pattern but that is a personal choice.

Which makes sense to someone TRAPPED within such a universe.

When you have successfully departed this universe, please send back a note on your method of escape and what it's like over there.

For you, of course.

You do realize I'm going to send it C.O.D.

I'm a bit strapped at the moment but if that message arrives I'll dig up the postage no question.

Cosmic/Comic origins topic

I have never understood the reason why Creationists need to justify their faith in a god creating the universe. I accept those like Iamnotaparakeet have faith in their ideas about the First cause, and to me, and to me, at least, faith needs no justification. It cannot be proven nor can it be justified through physical evidence.

Like many others here, overwhelmingly atheist/nontheist, I prefer harder evidence of a cause. Humans need the reassurance of a rational cause (I did not say real), and what I mean by rational, logically presented and satisfies the need for understanding.

Causes for any event are not so straightforward. For going on forty three years I have been studying the concept of genocides (mostly the Holocaust) and there are many theories and ideas, some overlapping, some controversial, and all must demonstrate soundness/rationality for these to be acceptable to scholars. And remember, their are still many revisionaries who deny it ever occurred. (I am waiting for someone to state that there is no cause to the origin of the universe because it never happened. There IS NO universe. It is all an illusion.) The only time there are problems is when the situation becomes political, and the lack of cause/event is used against those who believe it.

All cultures have their universe creation stories. It is a group thing and gives them a common beginning. Same with the comic origins posts. What makes western science's unique is that there must be some sort of rational evidence to back up the theories, and the group identity thing is not an issue.

From what I understand, He was always here.

Here, meaning in the Universe? If so, he couldn't have created it. If not, then where was He? And what created that?

That He was here before the universe was created. Supposedly we can't understand it because our mortal minds but we will when we go to heaven. It's what us Christian folks call "faith".