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13 Mar 2006, 10:10 am

I don't know a great deal about Bill Gates, but given his profession and talents, I'd lean towards an ASD. Or at the very least, I haven't heard any contradictory evidence to say he's not.

Einstein I have little doubt. His personality style (I'd say he was a little eccentric, wouldn't you?), visuo-spatial talents, as well as his language delay point most obviously towards HFA.


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16 Mar 2006, 6:53 am

I don't know whether any of you are familiar with the petals around a rose game, but apparently Bill Gates solved it by memorising most of the combinations.


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16 Mar 2006, 11:37 am

It seems to me that it is too difficult to say from the sketchy information available that an historical figure denfinately had autism or AS. Even professionals disagree about who has AS. My son was first dx'd with mild mental retardation. Then the school psychologist determined Asgerger Syndrome. Then, yet another, private professional thought that because he made eye contact "he couldn't possibly have AS". Then, yet another specialist in the educational field said that his AS dx was unlikely since he tested slightly below average on intelligence tests. Then there's the dilemma of speech. He began speaking words early (8 mo.) but seemed to lose speech around 1 1/2 and resumed speaking at 4 in complete sentences, howbeit improper intonations and modulation with a phenomenal vocab. and strange "jingle" phrases. We think that he could talk but just chose not too. He has always had an uncanny ability to remember where locations are and has a good rote memory but can't use information in a meaningful way. He has sound sensitivity and talks way too loud. He cannot handle his emotions well reacts too strongly over small disappointments. But he is highly social and enjoys being with people even though this is not often reciprocated. He does perseverate on a few, limited interests. So is he AS or Autistic or neither? Peculiar? Does it really matter? Are there treatments that will "normalize" him? I somehow doubt it. We like him and he isn't what I would consider "disabled". He will suceed with some measure. He is unique in some ways and challenged in others but so are we all. I don't buy the fact that high intelligence is an abnormality and people mainly care about being social and not doing anything of value to contribute to humanity. I think that is broad stereotyping of the average population. I don't know if Bill Gates is AS. Why doesn't he just go get a diagnosis? Of course, his Dx would depend on which psychologist he sees.


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16 Mar 2006, 4:10 pm

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Why doesn't he just go get a diagnosis?

I wonder does he even know about the Autism Spectrum,I think the possibility of Bill Gates being Autistic is unheard of outside the internet,at least unheard of to non internet users.


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17 Mar 2006, 8:15 pm

DrizzleMan wrote:
Pretty much. The writer also says that rocking can be a symptom of schizophrenia or cerebral palsy (and even NTs due it occasionally) and asks why people think Gates' rocking could specifically indicate autism rather than any of these other possible causes.


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18 Mar 2006, 10:49 am

I don't really see the point in speculating... if Gates has AS, it's still the least of his problems. :)

Maybe it's important for Aspies to have role models...



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18 Mar 2006, 11:08 am

When pseudo-dxing famous people either alive or postmortem, there's clearly more benefit in it for the diagnoser than the diagnosed. It's entertaining. I must admit, I do enjoy it. Though it's always good to remember that, especially with dead people, there's never a way to verify the accuracy of our speculations. It's a moot point in that sense. But as I said, it is an enjoyable passtime and is a bit of an ego-/confidence-booster to think of great people having had similar problems as us but in the eyes of the world, they made almost every success of their lives as they could. Or at least success in the tangible sense.

I think we should continue to diagnose dead and famous people but always remember to never take ourselves too seriously. :)


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18 Mar 2006, 5:12 pm

Sophist wrote:
I think we should continue to diagnose dead and famous people but always remember to never take ourselves too seriously. :)[/size]

That works with most things :D Presumably it's fun for the person undiagnosing too ;)

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I think that is broad stereotyping of the average population.
I agree with you, and disagree with the stereotype.


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18 Mar 2006, 7:31 pm

The one famous person I find difficult to accept as an Aspie is Steven Spielberg. Einstein, sure. Gates, yes, why not, but Spielberg? Nah, if he is in fact autistic, he's learned to cope very well indeed.

But I agree that it's sort of fun to make these guesses. :)



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18 Mar 2006, 7:48 pm

Dan Akroyd I think is one of the only Aspies who's "out" with his diagnosis. What's he up to now, btw?


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18 Mar 2006, 9:10 pm

Steven Spielberg's been diagnosed, and has gone public with it. Read an article a while ago about it.


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18 Mar 2006, 9:15 pm

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Interesting, but I don't agree with it.

I am an Aspie, did not have dating problems (one guy I dated ended up being a professional baseball player), am married to a wonderful man and I have an 18 month old daughter. I have been told that I am friendly and easy to talk to. Aspies can make quite good sales-people actually, especially if what they are selling is interesting to them. Some Aspies wouldn't. It is different for everybody. I also have a gifted IQ level and many of the traits of giftedness overlap with AS traits. So, it makes sense that people are saying Einstein was and Bill Gates is autistic.

I think that the guy's article shows the narrow-mindedness and tunnel vision of a lot of Aspies.

I met Bill Gates when I worked at FAO Schwarz. Ms. Gates (although this was before they were married) was showing him who Barney (the big purple dinosaur) was. I knew it was him the minute I saw him and he just looked up at me and said, "I had no idea there was such a thing." I just laughed and said, "be glad you don't," and he just stared at me and then after about 4 uncomfortable seconds, he smiled. Looking back, I think that experience alone makes me think he is an Aspie. Later I managed a deli at one of the MS campuses and Mrs. Gates came in all the time. She was very shy, but also very nice. I liked her immediately and I didn't recognize her for quite a while.


The other argument for Gates being an Aspie is that he has created a haven for Aspies at MS. We have several friends who work there and having worked on campus myself, many of those people (my friends not included) had absolutely horrible hygeine! They would walk into the cafeteria barefoot and they were absolutely rotten to get along with. They were patronizing and downright rude. They smelled. The cool thing is they were able to arrange their offices any way they wanted. One guy had a giant paper mache brain hanging over his chair. Some had very dim ambient lighting and blankets and other offices were outrageously bright.

Okay, I need to shut up, I am babbling.

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Actually I would have to say that most people who have a formal speech style, can achieve phenomonally in the business world, thanks to our boring yet congenial voices



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18 Mar 2006, 10:15 pm

Sarcastic_Name wrote:
Steven Spielberg's been diagnosed, and has gone public with it. Read an article a while ago about it.


I thought we were never able to come to a firm conclusion that he had. Hmmm... must've lost interest in that thread too early on.


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19 Mar 2006, 6:17 am

Sophist wrote:
Dan Akroyd I think is one of the only Aspies who's "out" with his diagnosis. What's he up to now, btw?


I never knew that. When you say, "one of the only," do you mean that anyone else is "out?"


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19 Mar 2006, 6:54 am

Sarcastic_Name wrote:
Steven Spielberg's been diagnosed, and has gone public with it. Read an article a while ago about it.



I googled on this a couple of weeks ago but didn't find anything conclusive. IMDB mentions AS but they've been wrong before. Nowhere is there an article stating that Spielberg himself admitted to being autistic. Everything I found was second hand...

What article was that, and where?



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19 Mar 2006, 6:56 am

Sophist wrote:
Dan Akroyd I think is one of the only Aspies who's "out" with his diagnosis. What's he up to now, btw?


Looks like he only gets parts in B movies these days. The last time I saw him in a movie was that awful sequel to the Blues Brothers...

Didn't he mention having Tourette, BTW?