Z-Day 2010 - "Be the change we want to see in the world

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Just to inform peeps here, Z-Day 2010 is looming and there are events WORLDWIDE. Z-Day is the annual event day on March 13th for The Zeitgeist Movement.

The Zeitgeist Movement is a grass roots campaign to unify the world through a common ideology based on the fundamentals of life and nature. This movement ignores politics, religion and the like, and instead attempts to communicate how all humans are the same at the fundamental level and how it is time we start to work together on a global scale to end the seemingly perpetual conflict and suffering in our current world society.

For more information you can check out these links.

www.thezeitgeistmovement.com
www.zday2010.org

I hope to see you all there.
Adam-Anti-Um.

I was hoping for a Max Brooks style Z-Day.

I will try and come

i like the idea, but i was also hoping for something max brooks related.

This has nothing to do with fictitious undead humans.

This is an event that is dedicated to the ideals of a direction that is intended to bring about social change and a better standard of living for ALL mankind.

What is with the whole mass-obssession with zombies anyway? These days all I hear about is zombies, vampires and pirates.

I thought Zeitgeist were the 9/11 nutters?

Umm.... yes. The Zeitgeist movies promoted these ideas. In any case Orwell, this probably isn't worth your time.

911 nutters don't watch Zeitgeist movies, they watch "official" State-approved propaganda.

That's what I figured, especially with the BS-laden description of Zeitgeist in the OP.

@ASPER: Good luck finding "official State-approved propaganda." There is no government media outlet in this country, and all major media outlets are (at least intermittently) critical of the government.

that's what I was hoping for too lol

i love that book

Ok dude, first off I think you are confusing the Zeitgeist Movement, with the 9/11 Truth Movement. Two COMPLETELY seperate and differing organisations.

And yes, the first Zeitgeist film does express the MYTH, yes you read correctly, MYTH perpetuated by the mainstream media and society concerning 9/11. It also explores the MYTH concerning the origins of theistic religion, and also explores the MYTH concerning the banking cartels.

That is the point. Zeitgeist: The movie is a seperate film that was actually made as an artistic expression that Peter Joseph didn't even originally intend for general release. So much was his lack of pomposity in the film that after it started becoming one of the most viewed films on the internet and being hawked by people trying to make money off of it and people showing it all over the world, he actually had to go back through all the sources he used and ask for permission to use their material. However this film was made years before Peter Joseph made Zeitgeist Addendum and even conceived of The Zeitgeist Movement, so the "conspiracy crap" that the Zeitgeist Movement is ignorantly labeled as is an erroneous assumption.

The reason why Peter Joseph includes Zeitgeist: The Movie on his website is his perspective that in order to introduce people to the train of thought and frames of reference that The Zeitgeist Movement is coming from, (VERY foreign to the established way of thinking by the way, THAT is why you guys are having such a hard time with it) you have to shake things up for people a bit. You have to make the doubt a few thins by uncovering a few contradictions, hypocricies and criminalities. You cannot simply introduce someone to the movement without them finding out a few very quesationable and backwards things about our current system and leadership structure, it just wouldn't work. People are too used to following the word of the leaders and what "the tube" tells them. Indoctrination is everything in this system, without it, people would think for themselves and therefore be impossible to manipulate into buying things they don't even need and vote for people that say such lovely things and believe that there is actually a possibility of hope in our elected leaders.

Kevin Spacey as John Doe I think said it best:

"These days to get people's attention you can't just tap them on the shoulder anymore. You have to hit them with a sledgehammer"

And also Herman Goering at the Nuremburg Trials said it better.

“Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.”

Don't you see? I think that a lot of people think that the very fact that Zeitgeist: The Movie expresses the myth of 9/11 for some reason attaches it to the "conspiracy nuts" that the media only shows you that the 9/11 truth movement is consisted of. So for this, Zeitgeist is assumed to be guilty by association. This is ridiculous. There are plenty of people who disbelieve the "official" explanation for 9/11 and those are not labeled as "conspiracy nuts" so this seems the ONLY thing that people who have something against The Zeitgeist Movement for whatever reason, can grab a hold of desperately in their efforts to discredit The Zeitgeist Movement purely because it clashes with ther values and they have no other way of attempting to discredit the Movement. Almost as though analysing the tenets of the movements itself and applying them to their own lives and actions is too scary to consider. So therefore they settle for just sitting on the sidelines lazily sniggering and attacking it by what it APPEARS to be. Not what it actually is, because God forbid if you actually took the time to read into it and consider it's values WITHOUT BIAS

Peter Joseph has sad many times that "Zetgeist 1 is not the movement". And taking into consideration that he made it years before he conceived of the movement, and years before he met Jacque Fresco and Roxanne Meadows, I think proves that The first Zeitgeist Film is seperate from Addendum, a hense seperate from the movement. It is supplemental to the realisation process in a pre-emptive fashion, that is all.

So to sum up, No, The Zeitgeist Movement is SEPERATE from the 9/11 Truth Movement.

[quote="Orwell"]That's what I figured, especially with the BS-laden description of Zeitgeist in the OP.quote]

In the opening post I was describing The Zeitgeist Movement. Not the first Zeitgeist Film. get it, got it, good. If you read properly, not just the opening post but other things people say and type then you will see what I meant and a whole world of realisations will open up to you because then you would be actually listening, with open mindedness and not projecting with ignorance.

Also I might add, to further compound my point, the first Zeitgeist film is not promoted on the Zeitgeist Movement Website. Proving its separation to the Movement itself. It is included in www.zeitgeistmovie.com to augment the process because of it's relvance to the train of thought and also because it was made by Peter Joseph.

Is Z-Day anything like the Moronic Convergence?

Bob Kolker

No it is not. It is not socialist, nor fascist, nor communist, nor republican, nor democratic. It is not political or technocratic. a train of thought never tried before.

If you did some research you will see for yourself as opposed to asking me.

Z day sounds like a load of shite to me.

The Zeitgeist movies are basically baseless propaganda on their own right. There's so many inaccurate and missing sources in it that it's not even funny. I have watched them and I kept rolling my eyes during them.

Here's my take: Humans are bastards and always will be. We always will be violent and always will control one another through deceit and manipulation. Humans are incapable to making the world a better place, we're too good at destroying everything. Inevitably, everything we love will be gone. Everything that has a beginning has an end.

Yes, as long as we go along this road of an economic system that is built upon differential advantage and where corruption is created and rewarded. Corruption is bred within the system's very blueprint.

Consider a shop. This scenario explains the roles of the 3 different positions in society. The employer, the employee and the consumer. Keep in mind that PROFIT is the underlying mechanism to our entire economic system, and hense prevalent to this scenario.

Now, the Employer, is always trying to find ways to minimise his outgoings in order to maximise profits. That translates as the conditions of minimum wage and expenditure cut-backs. He is screwing the Employee over, because he is paying the employee the least amount possible so that he isn't too much out of pocket, and also doesn't enrage the Employee into legal or union structured action. At the same time, the Employer is screwing over the Consumer by charging the most he possibly can for the product or service he offers to the consumer. You guessed it, to maximise profit.

The Employee is also corrupt, because he is screwing over the Employer to gain the highest wage possible for his labour, to gain a little profit, and also acts as a henchman for the employer's game of screwing over the consumer for profit.

Now not even the Consumer is innocent in this equation. He is always trying to screw over both the Employee AND the Employer by trying to pay the least ammount possible for the product or service he is purchasing.
Like I said, corruption is rewarded within the system because of the propfit priority.



Yes, as long as we propagate the false idea that we are all seperate from each other and seperate from nature. As long as we uphold and allow the further creation of establishments, ideals and institutions that create social stratification. When you grade one child with an A and the child next to him with an F, then you create jealousy and competition. Same as when you have two children and you always say to the youngest "Why can't you be more like your brother?" These serves as the bases of our jealousy and competition and it is how a stratified world is built.



Yes, because we are stuck within this system, and it is IMPOSSIBLE to erradicate poverty, corruption, war, famine and crime within a system that favours those who are ruthless to their fellow man and are greedy. The "Make poverty history" campaign is a wonderful charity. But as long as we live in a world where 1% of the population controls 40% of the world's wealth and resources, it's NEVER gonna happen. We have been conditioned into believing that unless you have a bigger gun and a higher wall than the other guy he will come over, take your land, rape your family and kill you. Empires were built upon this principle of conquest, rape and pillage while dressing it all up as "we're spreading democracy/religion". We are conditioned to think that as a species we have grown out of that. We haven't. The selfish, ignorant leaders we have in power have created a world of fear. And we are a product of that value system. That does niot mean that is what we are fundamentally.



Well that is true, however viewing the world in a cynical fashion dims your view and overshadows posibilities of betterment. If you wish for the world to be a dark place, then as far as you perceive, it will be. That bears no semblence to the rest of us.

This is your view. Cynical as it is, that is your view, and I would disagree. Thing is, at the end of the day, it is hard in a monetary system to trust people, and since this is bred in the system, it is hard to find people who do not completely surrender to the temptations of the profit priority. And when you are raised to believe "that's just the way it is" it cripples any chance of the mind hoping and working for anything better.

Thing is, your bias has already closed your mind to the possibilities so you are not gonna see the bigger picture and therefore your unwillingness to consider this direction has already spoiled it for you. Once you decide you are simply satisfied with saying we are all inherantly bad, without considering the root causes of what makes us the way we are, then you will not have a full view of the human condition and the conditions that create our propensities.

Satisfy my curiosity. Could you give me a list of the "inaccurate and missing sources"?