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21 Feb 2010, 5:26 pm

If Nostradamus predicted all kinds of terrible things that would change the world or end it, why couldn't anyone translate the codes he wrote down about them until AFTER the events happened? :? Yep, reeeally helpful. Some Prophet! :roll:



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21 Feb 2010, 6:46 pm

And if the Mayans were able to predict the end of the world in 2012, how come they failed to predict the end of the Mayans?


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21 Feb 2010, 10:04 pm

For many years, there were claims that Nostradamus predicted massive wars in the 1990s, that the "third antichrist" would wear a white turban. The Star Trek Khan character is based on this interpretation. This did not come to pass, of course.

I do remember that when the whole crisis over Iraq taking over Kuwait happened there were attempts to scare people by claiming that this was proof that the wars of the 1990s were upon us...



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22 Feb 2010, 1:49 am

And even today the National Enquirer type publications share psychic precdictions for the year without counting which of LAST year's manifested.



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22 Feb 2010, 2:14 am

Philologos wrote:
And even today the National Enquirer type publications share psychic precdictions for the year without counting which of LAST year's manifested.


I am very shocked that the National Enquirer publications cannot be accepted at face value! Goodness gracious! What next? Should we lose faith in even governmental statements?



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22 Feb 2010, 5:16 am

Vince wrote:
And if the Mayans were able to predict the end of the world in 2012, how come they failed to predict the end of the Mayans?


But ... But ... ! The calendar of the long since ruined civilisation doesn't cover an infinite amount of clay tablets yet! Surely that must mean something ominous!


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22 Feb 2010, 6:17 am

Vince wrote:
And if the Mayans were able to predict the end of the world in 2012, how come they failed to predict the end of the Mayans?


If they predicted that the end of the world in 2012, I suppose we could concede that they effectively predicted the end of the Mayans, except they were several years too late.



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22 Feb 2010, 10:45 am

The Mayan calendar actually is incomplete, the parts beyond 2012 haven't been discovered. The Mayans have predictions that go 800+ years into the future.

Also, the Mayan civilisation collapsed - the Mayans haven't. The Mayan language, culture, and religion (minus the blood rites) continue to thrive.



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22 Feb 2010, 12:31 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
Also, the Mayan civilisation collapsed - the Mayans haven't. The Mayan language, culture, and religion (minus the blood rites) continue to thrive.

That's what I was referring to.


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22 Feb 2010, 1:07 pm

The Mayan culture, language, etc has survived despite the best efforts of Pat Robertson and his favourite dictator, Jose Efrain Rios Montt.



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22 Feb 2010, 1:57 pm

xenon13 wrote:
For many years, there were claims that Nostradamus predicted massive wars in the 1990s, that the "third antichrist" would wear a white turban. The Star Trek Khan character is based on this interpretation. This did not come to pass, of course.

I do remember that when the whole crisis over Iraq taking over Kuwait happened there were attempts to scare people by claiming that this was proof that the wars of the 1990s were upon us...


Sometime around 1980 when I first started playing with computers,
there were two nutty people who were telling me that it wouldn't be
global thrmonewclear war with USSR but the rise of arabs that would
end the world. In the 1990s I thought that the first Bush invading Iraq
would piss off the arabs and since the cold war ended I was very upset
about the ideas given to me by those nutty people, especially the idea
that arabs have hated others esp jews ever since abraham forked his
family tree with isaac and ishmael thousands of years ago, that is a long
time to make enemies, if it is true. The other thing the nutty people vexed
me with was the idea of 666 meaning the mark of the beast as chip implants
already in pets and livestock (but not yet in 1980 when told this) to be
used as ID in enslaved human beings by the UN (which was very irrelevant
in 1980) but in 1990s, animal ID chip implants were invented and some
people have been guinea pigs for this RFID stuff. And more, in the 1990s,
two years in a row, there was an unknown holiday where people walked
around town (in New York) in white turbans all day and sang all night and
I had a dream (of a typically inaccurately prognosticating type) that the
songs were a prayer either to fill the earth with doom or something like
the story by Doctor Seuss "Horton Hears a Who".

I don't believe anything I just said I heard is a true prohecy except the
emergence of RFID chips, but I really wonder where this info originated.
I suppose the post I responding to gives a clue why this would be imagined
by nutty people in 1980, these nutty people are like people who have lost
touch with consensus reality altogether and sleep in the streets but not
in that condition yet. I suppose that obsession with Nostradamus may be
one source, but there is implied exposure to top secret mad science, or
maybe hallucinogenic nerve agents in Viet Nam War or something like that.

I have some withheld and unusual prognostic nonsense, including a tape
recording, made in 1984, when reagan was president, of a voice that identifies
as "satan" saying that Bush (which one) would be involved in a newclear war. Satan
lies, by definition, is a liar, and neither Bush dropped nukes, and the cold war
is over, but the peculiar thing is how persons places and things are mentioned,
before they were possibly relevant, and that neither was either Bush in 1984.
The tape recording was from a radio station, 104.7 MHz FM. Nobody else as
far as I know, knows what I am talking about, nor would I dare mention it during
the apparently predicted times.

Nostradamus, and everything I mentioned are in my opinion false prophecies,
and RFID could be explained as being a "self-fulfilling prophecy", that is evil
people disregarded the evil nature of RFID technology and created it anyway.
(Possession of such detailed identifying information is a claim of ownership,
not a good tool for law enforcement; and the foundation of enabling crimes of
identity theft; identification by enumeration had also long before demonized
Social Security Numbers and Bar Codes as candidate Marks and Numbers of
the "beast", among those watching and waiting for the brief appearance of
"antichrist" followed by unprecedented trouble and then unprecedented peace.)