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01 Mar 2010, 6:21 pm

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I kind of want to move to another country, although every country has it's bullshit.


well then it is a matter of choosing whose bullshit you prefer to put-up with. i like the commonwealth brands particularly.



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01 Mar 2010, 7:55 pm

Needless to say....our feelings about the world mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. The world and existence is neither good or bad in the objective sense....it simply IS.

Subjectively speaking though....it is impossible for me to say many positive things about the world. While there certainly is great beauty and magic in existence, I really can't see how it's worth the quantity and quality of suffering and misery zillions of lifeforms have endured for billions of years.

From my perspective....life (especially human life) and existence is a rank absurdity and a thing that should not be. A gamma ray burst or global thermonuclear holocaust would be a mass mercy killing and frankly, I welcome either.
Why the hell should countless humans and animals suffer the torments of the damned just so a few million fortunate "souls" can drive SUVs, attend "Uni", get discounts on fake wicker furniture at Direct Buy and sit in traffic?

Especially considering the fact that these "fortunate souls" are, often enough, causing/contributing to the suffering of the unfortunates and doing little or nothing to alleviate suffering they didn't cause.

Apparently....i'm not the only "negative" person who feels this way.


"Kill off mankind and give the earth a chance, so nature may find in it's inheritance, some seedlings of a race, less infinitely base".
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Humankind, if not all life, should pass into oblivion already. 200,000 years of stupidity, cruelty, injustice, war, poverty, disease, disability, racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry, greed, superfluous materialism, etc.....ad nauseum/infinitum have been quite enough IMO.



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01 Mar 2010, 8:26 pm

I'd think it was just dandy if it was only me and a handful of cool people I don't despise on it.



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01 Mar 2010, 9:03 pm

Horus wrote:
From my perspective....life (especially human life) and existence is a rank absurdity and a thing that should not be. A gamma ray burst or global thermonuclear holocaust would be a mass mercy killing and frankly, I welcome either.
Why the hell should countless humans and animals suffer the torments of the damned just so a few million fortunate "souls" can drive SUVs, attend "Uni", get discounts on fake wicker furniture at Direct Buy and sit in traffic?
Especially considering the fact that these "fortunate souls" are, often enough, causing/contributing to the suffering of the unfortunates and doing little or nothing to alleviate suffering they didn't cause.
Humankind, if not all life, should pass into oblivion already. 200,000 years of stupidity, cruelty, injustice, war, poverty, disease, disability, racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry, greed, superfluous materialism, etc.....ad nauseum/infinitum have been quite enough IMO.


some thoughts about the futility of it all-

the only thing which makes this thumpin, bumpin' world comprehensible to me, is my belief that this is all but a grand illusion with a metaphysical meaning behind it- a grand illusion which is a statement- and all statements can be questions as well. the realm of "all that is" [that includes us earthings] is saying "I EXIST" but is also saying I EXIST?"
iow "why do i exist?" "what is my existence all about?" and anything which spontaneously asks these particular questions is sentient. this sentience quickly learns its limitations and seeks to transcend them, and it does this by finding answers. in the process it grows, and the more it knows the more it wants to know, and the more it learns the more it grows. in the process of this learning, mistakes will be made. lots of learning, lots of mistakes, as experience is the only real teacher. that and time. lots of time. hundreds of eons and more. when this learning process is finished, then it will end. only then.
yeah, when i was in school i hated it too, and couldn't wait for the damned classes to end so i could go home and play. i really wished somebody would blow-up the stinkin' place! but we are all in this big cosmic earthschool together, and whether we like it or not we are stuck here until the lesson is finished. and the name of this lesson is "the golden rule." all the evil you see around you, is proof that the bulk of humanity has not yet learned this central lesson. so simple, yet so hard. when you see everybody loving one another as they love themselves, then "the lion will lie down with the lamb." but not before then.
there are some folk who believe in "the rapture" where the spiritually elect will be "excused from class early" and get to play while the "left-behinds" stew in their own juices for a while. this cannot be proved one way or another, but that doesn't stop lots of folk from thinking they will be among the privileged heaven-bound ones and to say "to hell with the rest." i like to believe that this group will be precisely the ones left behind, for heaven wouldn't be so heavenly if it has to be shared with such self-righteous types.

just my 2-cents' worth
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01 Mar 2010, 10:23 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Horus wrote:
From my perspective....life (especially human life) and existence is a rank absurdity and a thing that should not be. A gamma ray burst or global thermonuclear holocaust would be a mass mercy killing and frankly, I welcome either.
Why the hell should countless humans and animals suffer the torments of the damned just so a few million fortunate "souls" can drive SUVs, attend "Uni", get discounts on fake wicker furniture at Direct Buy and sit in traffic?
Especially considering the fact that these "fortunate souls" are, often enough, causing/contributing to the suffering of the unfortunates and doing little or nothing to alleviate suffering they didn't cause.
Humankind, if not all life, should pass into oblivion already. 200,000 years of stupidity, cruelty, injustice, war, poverty, disease, disability, racism, sexism, homophobia, religious bigotry, greed, superfluous materialism, etc.....ad nauseum/infinitum have been quite enough IMO.


some thoughts about the futility of it all-

the only thing which makes this thumpin, bumpin' world comprehensible to me, is my belief that this is all but a grand illusion with a metaphysical meaning behind it- a grand illusion which is a statement- and all statements can be questions as well. the realm of "all that is" [that includes us earthings] is saying "I EXIST" but is also saying I EXIST?"
iow "why do i exist?" "what is my existence all about?" and anything which spontaneously asks these particular questions is sentient. this sentience quickly learns its limitations and seeks to transcend them, and it does this by finding answers. in the process it grows, and the more it knows the more it wants to know, and the more it learns the more it grows. in the process of this learning, mistakes will be made. lots of learning, lots of mistakes, as experience is the only real teacher. that and time. lots of time. hundreds of eons and more. when this learning process is finished, then it will end. only then.
yeah, when i was in school i hated it too, and couldn't wait for the damned classes to end so i could go home and play. i really wished somebody would blow-up the stinkin' place! but we are all in this big cosmic earthschool together, and whether we like it or not we are stuck here until the lesson is finished. and the name of this lesson is "the golden rule." all the evil you see around you, is proof that the bulk of humanity has not yet learned this central lesson. so simple, yet so hard. when you see everybody loving one another as they love themselves, then "the lion will lie down with the lamb." but not before then.
there are some folk who believe in "the rapture" where the spiritually elect will be "excused from class early" and get to play while the "left-behinds" stew in their own juices for a while. this cannot be proved one way or another, but that doesn't stop lots of folk from thinking they will be among the privileged heaven-bound ones and to say "to hell with the rest." i like to believe that this group will be precisely the ones left behind, for heaven wouldn't be so heavenly if it has to be shared with such self-righteous types.

just my 2-cents' worth
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but in the Yiddish tradition, from dying to dead is a long long way."



I believe for that to happen, humanity must first evolve to its next level of existence. Nature is run by logic, humans are mostly run by emotion, and they clash constantly. Humans currently know how to identify problems, but don't quite have the logic to comprehend properly solving them, save for the "I'm really just doing this to feel important...not because it'll actually improve things" idea that most humans actually follow...



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01 Mar 2010, 10:32 pm

There is great beauty and wonder in the world but there is also a lot of pain, suffering and hatred. Which part I choose to focus on really depends on my state of mind at the time.



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01 Mar 2010, 10:40 pm

Brennan wrote:
There is great beauty and wonder in the world but there is also a lot of pain, suffering and hatred. Which part I choose to focus on really depends on my state of mind at the time.



Yes, the latter is there...but it will always be there; only in a fantasy-based utopia could that ever not be.

Pain, suffering, and hatred are due to humans being humans.

It's why I don't waste time worrying about it anymore...it's also why I don't watch the news, aside from when I'm at McDonald's, and letting it "entertain" me as I eat my fries...



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02 Mar 2010, 10:26 am

The world is compost, that's what it is, physically and spiritually. Great stuff, but not necessarily pretty.



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02 Mar 2010, 12:45 pm

Irisrises wrote:
The world is compost, that's what it is, physically and spiritually. Great stuff, but not necessarily pretty.


humans are the only birds which foul their own nest. the world of humans who infest this beautiful blue marble of earth, is but a giant sandbox that we will eventually rent asunder without too much thought. entropy- what a concept.
but that's depressing, so let us not think so much about the bad things, eh? after all, one of the universal laws is-

*that which one dwells upon is amplified.

granted, it seems a hundred times harder to think about good things than bad, but our task down here on terra firma is to at least occasionally eschew the path of least resistance and take the hard high road once in a while. half of that job is already done, just by being down here in the first place. so the remainder of the job is to try to make at least 1 out of a hundred things we put out into this world a good and cheerful thing. anything less than that, we are falling down on the job. any little bit more than that, is a happy bonus.
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02 Mar 2010, 7:32 pm

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02 Mar 2010, 7:56 pm

id rather not look at the state of the world at the moment i start getting bad thoughts id rather surround myself with my own world



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02 Mar 2010, 8:34 pm

I feel the world is an immensely beautiful place, if only you look at it the right way. I'm an optimist.


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03 Mar 2010, 9:54 am

I don't really know how I feel about ME most of the time.

I am however somewhat hypnotized by your photo which I find quite.............striking :roll:


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03 Mar 2010, 11:12 am

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04 Mar 2010, 10:44 am

auntblabby wrote:
Shadwell wrote:
I kind of want to move to another country, although every country has it's bullshit.


well then it is a matter of choosing whose bullshit you prefer to put-up with. i like the commonwealth brands particularly.


Well there are countries less full of bullshit, but it also depends I guess on what you do to make it that way.