I'm trying to find autism in mythology and folklore.

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09 Mar 2010, 2:54 pm

Oh, sorry... it's people who are believed to have the second sight, or to be sensitive to the other world.



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09 Mar 2010, 3:08 pm

Read Autism the Engima. It suggests certain aspects of Sleeping Beauty, etc. have autistic characteristics.


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09 Mar 2010, 7:29 pm

Thanks for all the information everyone.



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09 Mar 2010, 11:18 pm

Try the Bible :!: (I mean to look for characters with AS traits)

It contains a vast amount of information on everything from science to semantics. :arrow:


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09 Mar 2010, 11:57 pm

So far in most research I've found many parallels between people being fanatical about not wanting a changeling and all the Propaganda Autism Speaks is encouraging.



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10 Mar 2010, 12:27 am

mgran wrote:
I'm not saying Moses was aspie

I dunno, when Moses had that meltdown and smashed those stone tablets.....aspie moment there.

I'm sorry, I'm too immature for this thread. :oops:


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10 Mar 2010, 12:30 am

pensieve wrote:
mgran wrote:
I'm not saying Moses was aspie

I dunno, when Moses had that meltdown and smashed those stone tablets.....aspie moment there.

I'm sorry, I'm too immature for this thread. :oops:


No you're not. You just are giving your own interpretation nothing immature about that.



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10 Mar 2010, 12:31 am

Supposedly:

Brother Juniper (lack of empathy big time there)
Wild boy of Aveyron (mute "feral" child. Couldn't be "taught" how to be a part of society)



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10 Mar 2010, 12:59 am

as mentioned earlier...

The Wise Fool

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The implications built-in the "wise fool" figure comes out of the societal biases, inclinations, and tendencies held about real fools. Various characteristics attributed to the fool, include:
  • lacking seriousness and given to frivolity (inanis, fool),
  • dull-witted or not very bright (stultus, dolt, clown),
  • retarded in intellectual development or mentally deficient (imbécile, dotard),
  • lacks understanding (insipiens),
  • different from normal men (idiot),
  • deprived of the use of speech or words (Tor),
  • babbles incoherently (fatuus),
  • noisy and lacking in restraint or discipline when merrymaking (buffone),
  • nonrecognition of correct or appropriate behavior codes (ineptus),
  • mock the "others" (Narr);
  • acts like a child,
  • simplicity of the heart (natural), and
  • innocence of the heart (simpleton).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wise_fool


the word fool in the meaning of idiot should draw attention... because a wise idiot is a an idiot who knows things... who is savant...

by following the words you will automatically wind up with...

The Idiot Savant

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot_savant

most savants have autistic like traits... or are known to be autistic.



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10 Mar 2010, 4:05 am

Very good question. Short of the Fool, I'm struggling to think of any quickly. Magician, artificer and outsider types, I guess, but none are really completely "right". I'm thinking of Gwydion (the Bloduewedd thing), Vainamoinen (the cant and the disconnection from people), Odin (the whole runes business), Wayland perhaps (if you're up on your mythology you'll realise why I'm more than a little concerned that this bunch are the ones that I empathise with. 8O ) I'm not big on stuff away from the North Sea though. :)


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10 Mar 2010, 6:07 am

Good post everyone.



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10 Mar 2010, 6:13 am

Hymir, the vikings god of beer and the grandfather of Týr (viking god of war) could be on the spectrum.... he was know as "Hymir the wise" - a giant Jötunn - the wisest man in Asgard and the counselor of Odín...



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10 Mar 2010, 6:28 am

not in myth and legend but in literature there's Gimpel the Fool by Isaac Bashevis Singer



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10 Mar 2010, 11:14 am

Oh, I love Gimpel the Fool. That story makes me cry my eyes out.

Actually, a few of his characters in his short stories, now that I think about it... I forget the name of the gentle and studious man who wanted to be a Rabbi, but was forced to be a butcher instead. That's an outstanding story... The nature of his breakdown is just so well written.



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10 Mar 2010, 4:56 pm

I was just thinking about another possibility but I'd have to find the book again. It's one of C.S.Lewis' fiction works and it's a retelling of the Psyche myth. The main character (not the Psyche persona) strikes me as having autistic qualities. It's set somewhere in Southern Europe while still occupied by Rome.