How's your logic? (Interesting test)

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31 May 2010, 2:01 pm

I got 80%.

I found this test confusing because the premises are mostly nonsense statements. I also had trouble knowing how literally I was supposed to interpret the statements. I'm also a right hemisphere thinker so I don't do so well with word problems that have no concrete visual basis.

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31 May 2010, 2:13 pm

marshall wrote:

I got 80%.

I found this test confusing because the premises are mostly nonsense statements. I also had trouble knowing how literally I was supposed to interpret the statements. I'm also a right hemisphere thinker so I don't do so well with word problems that have no concrete visual basis.

yes that confused me as well

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31 May 2010, 2:32 pm

73%
More than I thought

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31 May 2010, 4:18 pm

I got 87%, which was somewhat in the range I was expecting. I don't usually study things like this, so it doesn't necessarily make me a very logical person.

I had to look up "up before the beak", though. Silly British people with their biscuits and lorries..... Apparently a/the "beak" is a slang term for a judge. I.e., they were in court.

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31 May 2010, 4:19 pm

I didn't expect to get a very high score, so my score doesn't really bother me.

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31 May 2010, 4:47 pm

katzefrau wrote:

anyway, once you read the test questions it becomes clear that the initial propositions can be fictitious- we all know birds aren't reptiles, for example. triangles don't have four sides.

Actually, an odd fact is... birds ARE reptiles... but many of the other premises in that one were false.
They used to have their own class "aves" but have been put into reptiles.

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31 May 2010, 5:02 pm

Exclavius wrote:

katzefrau wrote:

anyway, once you read the test questions it becomes clear that the initial propositions can be fictitious- we all know birds aren't reptiles, for example. triangles don't have four sides.

Actually, an odd fact is... birds ARE reptiles... but many of the other premises in that one were false.
They used to have their own class "aves" but have been put into reptiles.

i thought reptiles had to be cold blooded?

huh.
well, triangles don't have four sides, in any case. so i still think one could easily surmise that the premises need not be true.

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31 May 2010, 5:30 pm

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The test isn't very good. It implies that you should ignore the semantics of the words, or at least is ambiguous as to whether semantics matter or whether it's purely a formal/syntactic logic that should be used.

No, because at least one of the questions, it's required to pay attention to the sematics of the words (see my post just above).

Maybe I misunderstood you but, even if what you say is true, it doesn't contradict what I said. In fact it could be used to validate what I said.

How are "ignore the sematics" and "pay attention to the semantics" not opposites?

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31 May 2010, 6:54 pm

Mysty wrote:

HenryKrinkle wrote:

Mysty wrote:

HenryKrinkle wrote:

No, because at least one of the questions, it's required to pay attention to the sematics of the words (see my post just above).

Maybe I misunderstood you but, even if what you say is true, it doesn't contradict what I said. In fact it could be used to validate what I said.

How are "ignore the sematics" and "pay attention to the semantics" not opposites?

Dang you two, stop taking each other so literal, and by doing so misunderstanding what the other is saying.

You'd think the two of you suffered from Aspergers or something like that!

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31 May 2010, 7:07 pm

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Actually, an odd fact is... birds ARE reptiles... but many of the other premises in that one were false.
They used to have their own class "aves" but have been put into reptiles.

I'm not doubting you, since things have been shifted around so much in my lifetime. For example, when I was in school, there were only three kingdoms and no domains (kingdom was the highest the categorizations went. Nowadays there are three domains, two empires (according to some systems), and either five or six kingdoms, depending on who you ask. So I'm not doubting when you say that Aves has been merged with Reptilia (were Aves just put into Reptilia wholesale or are they a subclass of Reptilia?)

My question is when did this happen? My references (i.e. my biology textbook from three years ago) don't show the change so it must be very recent? I can't find reference to it online, either.

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31 May 2010, 7:53 pm

60%. The wording of things in the test was sort of confusing for me.

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31 May 2010, 7:57 pm

Exclavius wrote:

katzefrau wrote:

anyway, once you read the test questions it becomes clear that the initial propositions can be fictitious- we all know birds aren't reptiles, for example. triangles don't have four sides.

Actually, an odd fact is... birds ARE reptiles... but many of the other premises in that one were false.
They used to have their own class "aves" but have been put into reptiles.

The birds are descendant of dinosaurs who descended of reptiles, true; But so are mammals. If birds are reptiles, then we are too.

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31 May 2010, 8:07 pm

there is a LOT of conflict on the subject... But i do believe that the "new" standard consensus is that they are reptiles. Dawkins refers to them as such, and there are few biologists that I would trust more.

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31 May 2010, 8:26 pm

10 - 67%

I'm surprised I did that well. I've long since learned to reject strict logic, and to get some of those things right, you really have to take everything super literal.

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31 May 2010, 8:31 pm

I got 87%, which was higher than I expected.

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31 May 2010, 9:08 pm

i think we are more logical than the logic test.

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