Mercury poisoning. For all you extremly mild mild Aspies.

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06 Jun 2010, 11:56 am

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There are no links between mercury and autism.

It is true however that mercury poisoning and autism have some few symptoms in common. This is by far not the first occurrence of two completely different things having symptoms in common.

No, vaccines don't cause such poisoning (duh) There are already countless and countless of studies that have proved so. The only reason people still push for that old song is to sell "alternative" therapies for autism that do not work, are dangerous and extremely expensive.


They've only tested for traditional mercury poisoning.

The evidence supporting the theorised autsistic type of mercury poisoning is the severe glutathione deficiency in autistic individuals. Which has been proven by multiple studies.



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06 Jun 2010, 12:00 pm

Ok lets try a different approach as direct communication is not working..
I'll keep it short so you can't choose to ignore everything in my posts by addressing one little unimportant thing which has nothing to do with what I'm talking about.

Answer me this question.

If an individual is deficient in glutathione, how does he/she flush the metals out his/her body sufficiently?

Autistics are glutathione deficient as proven multiple times, so how do the metals get flushed out?



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06 Jun 2010, 12:26 pm

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Further, in the scientific community (as opposed to the pseudoscientific community), the word "theory" has a specific meaning. A theory is an idea which is backed up by observable facts and/or replicable experiments. If you cannot prove your "theory", it isn't a theory - it's a hypothesis, which is science-speak for "wild-a$$ guess."

Mercury can't be drawn out by "magnetic baths" - its magnetic moment is so tiny that it wasn't even possible to demonstrate it until 2005. It simply cannot remain ionized long enough to be "drawn out" by a magnetic field. That's not a matter of "I thought about it, and this is what came into my head" - this is a matter of the laws of chemistry and physics.

And the series of hypotheses about mercury storage is just dizzying - it's in fat! No, it's in brain tissue! Okay, just the left parietal lobe! (And how the mercury, a chemical element, is supposed to know the left parietal lobe from any other stretch of gray matter is left unexplained...) Now, it does seem to store itself in the pituitary gland - but last I checked, there was absolutely no correlation between autism and pituitary function. [b]None.[/b]

Now, can we please stop trying to pass off wild guesses, bad pseudoscience, and the famed psychological phenomenon of the "placebo effect" as having greater value than the actual study of medicine?


You can make anything scientific sound ridiculous.

THERE WAS A BANG AND WE'RE ALL HERE PLANETS AND LIFE POPPED UP OUT OF THE BLUE!!

Mercury has being observed in all these examples, fat, tissues, organs, thyroid. Yet for some reason you only believe it to be in the pituitary gland?
The proof is glutathione deficiency in autistic individuals so it is a theory. Not one study has even bothered to address the type of mercury poisoning caused by this deficiency. Due to lack of glutathione, environmental mercury sources are a culprit, that's why blood is unreliable, it can never accumulate enough to appear to be above average.

Imagine a tap flowing at a constant rate into a sieve. The water from the tap is the blood, the filter is the body tissues/fat cells.

Now run that tap through the sieve for 10 years and the result is 1 gram of mercury sitting in the sieve.
Over the 10 year period you have multiple times, taken a glass filled it from that tap and got it tested for mercury by a lab. The lab found normal mercury levels in the wate.

Yet the sieve (the tissues) still has a toxic amount of mercury in it, levels were always normal, it's only now toxic due to accumulation over a long period of time. That's why blood tests are unreliable, mercury has a half life of 44 days in blood, and regardless the levels would just appear as normal, as it's not a toxic amount, it gradually builds up to a toxic amount.

Hair, urine, stool, skin are all the same. They are waste products (skin is used to excrete toxins), usually the mercury is flushed out of all of these however it cannot in this case as the body has no glutathione to flush it to that point. Regardless all of these have been deemed unreliable by the medical community for normal mercury poisoning (aka not glutathione deficient mercury poisoning). So they're all crap anyway.

Blood tests are the only reliable accepted method of testing by the medical community, and as shown it cannot be used to test glutathione deficient mercury poisoning.

So as you can see I'm not saying this or that or making up crap as I go along.



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06 Jun 2010, 1:02 pm

I dont appreciate being called a "twat"....And so sorry to mess with your thread but It has also been proven that the mercury in fish is not enough to cause harm.

My husband says mercury is not magnetic and can not be diffused through the skin....he also says if you are really worried about it you can have a biopsy done to see if you are retaining mercury. If you want to debate with him he is a Doctor of Biology where as you just read stuff you google on the internet.



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06 Jun 2010, 1:28 pm

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You all keep telling me there's no link in vaccines, fish, amalgam fillings or anything else that contains a LARGE toxic amount. I'm not talking about that at all. You are and that's because you're all failing to acknowledge that I'm not talking about....i'll even bold and underline it for you it for you... wait for it:

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MERCURY POISONING CAUSED MY A TOXIC AMOUNT. I'M TALKING ABOUT MINISCULE AMOUNTS ACCUMILATING OVER THE YEARS,

ITS NOT THE SAME TYPE POISONING



Why would it be different? Mercury is a known neurotoxin and there's no disputing it's not good to have too much mercury freely floating about in fish, the air, where ever. We need to drastically decrease mercury contamination across the board, imo.



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06 Jun 2010, 2:18 pm

jametto wrote:
Autistics are glutathione deficient as proven multiple times, so how do the metals get flushed out?


Where are the scientific studies that "prove" that people with autism are all glutathione deficient? And what (scientific) evidence is there that this is relevant? I asked this before, and you provided a link to a newspaper (a medical newspaper yes, but not a scientific study). I don't want speculative and magical fantasies, I want cold, hard facts. Like these:

Jay K. Kolls. Autism’s false prophets: Bad science, risky medicine, and the search for a cure. Reviewed in the Journal of clinical Investigation http://www.jci.org/articles/view/38913

Autism Symptoms and Mercury Poisoning: The Myth of Thimerosol and Vaccines as a Cause of Autism. http://autism.suite101.com/article.cfm/ ... _poisoning

Mercury Levels In Children With Autism And Those Developing Typically Are The Same. ScienceDaily (Oct. 20, 2009) — In a large population-based study published online today, researchers at the UC Davis MIND Institute report that after adjusting for a number of factors, typically developing children and children with autism have similar levels of mercury in their blood streams. Mercury is a heavy metal found in other studies to adversely affect the developing nervous system. The study, appearing in the journal Environmental Health Perspectives, is the most rigorous examination to date of blood-mercury levels in children with autism. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/20 ... 162914.htm



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07 Jun 2010, 11:08 am

liloleme wrote:
I dont appreciate being called a "twat"....And so sorry to mess with your thread but It has also been proven that the mercury in fish is not enough to cause harm.

My husband says mercury is not magnetic and can not be diffused through the skin....he also says if you are really worried about it you can have a biopsy done to see if you are retaining mercury. If you want to debate with him he is a Doctor of Biology where as you just read stuff you google on the internet.


Sorry everyone in the thread had basically pushed me to breaking point.

I have no clue about the baths, they use adsorbtion and absorbtion to function. They say the clay is negatively charged ions whereas the mercury is positively charged, but if it's not megnetic then that mustn't be true. There's no studies on it or anything I just bought it on the basis of feedback of others.

He's a Dr? Cool. I've met a lot of actual doctors and a lot of textbook monkeys. Can you ask him how the body can flush out mercury when it has no glutathione/extreme lack of?



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07 Jun 2010, 11:14 am

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jametto wrote:

You all keep telling me there's no link in vaccines, fish, amalgam fillings or anything else that contains a LARGE toxic amount. I'm not talking about that at all. You are and that's because you're all failing to acknowledge that I'm not talking about....i'll even bold and underline it for you it for you... wait for it:

IM NOT TALKING ABOUT MERCURY POISONING CAUSED MY A TOXIC AMOUNT. I'M TALKING ABOUT MINISCULE AMOUNTS ACCUMILATING OVER THE YEARS,

ITS NOT THE SAME TYPE POISONING



Why would it be different? Mercury is a known neurotoxin and there's no disputing it's not good to have too much mercury freely floating about in fish, the air, where ever. We need to drastically decrease mercury contamination across the board, imo.


Due to it not being flushed out it ends up in different places, causing different things. You're a lot more susceptible to organ related damage, such as pancreatic cells which can cause a deficient DPP-4 enzyme and many other chain reactions. Which is why autism isn't just mercury poisoning, mercury poisoning is just the root. Well technically glutathione is but that's not the trigger.

They say the cause of glutathinoe deficiency is genetic and caused of a mutation to the GSS gene. Which could explain the genetic cause of autism.



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07 Jun 2010, 11:14 am

I was born AS. My biological mother was LF autistic.


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07 Jun 2010, 4:59 pm

Does anyone know how Jenny MCcarthy cured her son? First of they all said her son could never be cured but now he is and now peeps are saying he never had it in the first place if he is now cured so I am confused. :?


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07 Jun 2010, 5:06 pm

It is confusing. What gives?



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07 Jun 2010, 5:17 pm

if autism is in any way realted to glutathione defiency, wouldnt it be logical to take supplements - Would that work?

I did a little research into L-glutathione when i was trying to reverse noise-induced hearing damage last year*
Although you can buy L-Glutathione capsules at great expense, this is a complete waste of cash as it will be destroyed in the stomach and not absorbed at all. You need to take 2 supplements together so your body can synthesize it. One is ALA (alpha-lipoic acid) i forget the other one. Be cautious starting out with ALA though - the 'daily' dosage made me feel strange 'wired' and unsettled.


*you have a window of a few days to take antioxidants, magnesium, gluatathione precursors in order to flush out the free radicals from your inner-ear. Preferably starting ASAP to maximise your chances of full recovery. - worth knowing! If im ever anticipating risk of noise exposure, ill take some Mg beforehand just in case (remember that doing this doesnt eliminate the risk completely though - just a sensible precaution)



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07 Jun 2010, 5:46 pm

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Does anyone know how Jenny MCcarthy cured her son? First of they all said her son could never be cured but now he is and now peeps are saying he never had it in the first place if he is now cured so I am confused. :?
Short answer: She didn't.

Long answer:
From the information I have (including from her book and from people who've studied the possible medical implications), it looks as though Evan McCarthy was born with something like Asperger's or mild Kanner's autism. Before he "lost speech", Evan had very strong autistic traits. (This would be from McCarthy's book, which I don't recommend unless you want to torture yourself with bad writing, but which I read because I am apparently a masochist.)

Then he developed severe epilepsy; and as a result of his seizures, as often happens with such cases, he lost skills and was less and less able to cope with the information coming into his already overloaded sensory system. The epilepsy was eventually controlled. Once useful medication was found that didn't cause sedation, Evan began gaining skills back thanks to natural development and rather sensible therapy, possibly delayed somewhat by the way his mother also used some alternative-medicine strategies that might've taken up time he could've used playing and exploring.

In any event, Evan eventually gained the use of communicative speech, and his adaptive skills evidently returned to low-average for boys his age. Currently, if I had to make a guess, he is probably still firmly on the spectrum, but doing well.

The theory that Evan never had autism to begin with is based on the idea that he might have had Landau-Kleffner syndrome, which causes young children with epilepsy to lose language ability and often regain it later. If he did have this problem, that doesn't actually rule out underlying autism.


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07 Jun 2010, 5:54 pm

Oh its just that I read somewhere where he was diagnosed as no longer autistic by a Dr. So he was diagnosed autistic then diagnosed as not autistic? But he still is? But who is saying he still is? His mother or other people?


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07 Jun 2010, 6:54 pm

Even if you did have mild mercury poisoning, you wouldn't be able to get the mercury out of your skin by leaching it out in a bath. And a good thing too! If that actually worked, it would suck out the metals you actually are using and need, such as iron. As people have pointed out, there isn't much charge to mercury. But there sure is to the iron in our blood. Thank goodness this bath doesn't do what it claims or everybody who used it would become anemic.



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08 Jun 2010, 10:00 am

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Although you can buy L-Glutathione capsules at great expense, this is a complete waste of cash as it will be destroyed in the stomach and not absorbed at all. You need to take 2 supplements together so your body can synthesize it. One is ALA (alpha-lipoic acid) i forget the other one. Be cautious starting out with ALA though - the 'daily' dosage made me feel strange 'wired' and unsettled.


NAC (n-acetyl-cysteine)

that seems to be the main supplement recommended for increasing glutathione production.

IMO if you get into this dietary stuff, its sensible to look at the balance of your diet carefully and rectify any suspected deficiencies by introducing/increasing natural food sources before popping pills.

i looked up the wiki page on glutathione sythesase deficiency. No explicit mention of autism or mercury toxicity. although there seems to be some overlap. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glutathion ... deficiency