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04 Jul 2010, 5:03 pm

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i was always facinated by why people think something thats old or "divinley inspired" is the real thing. someone obviously has never tasted a coca~cola

They have tasted this:

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04 Jul 2010, 5:30 pm

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How can a single God be three persons? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?


The Trinity is self contradictory nonsense.

There is at most one god.

Virgin Mary is the mother of God.

I believe that some trinitarians justify the concept of the Holy Trinity, with the idea that it demonstrates the power of a single god's Omnipresence, and others believe they are three different entities forming a "Deity Unity".

Yes, the latter seems contradictory, which seems to give the idea of a polytheist unity, the former is something that trinitarians who support the idea claim it is actually monotheism, however, there seems to be a problem with the idea that an all powerful god, is able to multiply itself, so it seems.


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04 Jul 2010, 6:07 pm

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Virgin Mary is the mother of God.


Virgins don't bear children. Poor Miriam, a Jewish girl who got knocked up. It happens all the time. God is not flesh and blood if He exists at all, so Miriam is not His mother.

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04 Jul 2010, 10:47 pm

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Virgins don't bear children. Poor Miriam, a Jewish girl who got knocked up. It happens all the time. God is not flesh and blood if He exists at all, so Miriam is not His mother.

If you say that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was not Pure at all, then we are getting a blatant blasphemy here, be thankful this isn't the Holy Inquisition!


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05 Jul 2010, 1:21 am

God can be as many of himself as he wants. He's God, fer crimmony sake.

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05 Jul 2010, 6:26 am

greenblue wrote:
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Virgins don't bear children. Poor Miriam, a Jewish girl who got knocked up. It happens all the time. God is not flesh and blood if He exists at all, so Miriam is not His mother.

If you say that Mary, the mother of Jesus, was not Pure at all, then we are getting a blatant blasphemy here, be thankful this isn't the Holy Inquisition!


Virgins don't bear children, especially male children. Whence cometh the Y chromosome?

If you believe in Virgin mothers, I have a bridge I would like to sell to you.

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05 Jul 2010, 7:30 am

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God can be as many of himself as he wants. He's God, fer crimmony sake.

-Bill, othewise known as Kraichgauer


Can God make a stone so heavy that He cannot move it?

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05 Jul 2010, 7:43 am

ruveyn wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
God can be as many of himself as he wants. He's God, fer crimmony sake.

-Bill, othewise known as Kraichgauer


Can God make a stone so heavy that He cannot move it?

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no he can not. one can not imagine what is greater than one's minds capacity is to resolve.
one can not think of anything that is beyond their minds capability to alter.

can god create a universal solvent that can be confined to an area with boundaries?

lordy i am out of here and i am going to jump into my soft bed where i will not even consider what the responses will be..



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05 Jul 2010, 11:02 am

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no he can not. one can not imagine what is greater than one's minds capacity is to resolve.

The Riemann Hypothesis. It will likely take a computer(if that) to solve. Our brains have not the capacity.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/RiemannHypothesis.html

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one can not think of anything that is beyond their minds capability to alter.

Death. Alter that.

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lordy i am out of here and i am going to jump into my soft bed where i will not even consider what the responses will be..


Really really easy to refute.


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05 Jul 2010, 12:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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God can be as many of himself as he wants. He's God, fer crimmony sake.

-Bill, othewise known as Kraichgauer


Can God make a stone so heavy that He cannot move it?

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What does that have to do with God being able to have multiples facets of himself?

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05 Jul 2010, 2:50 pm

Is it not simply a manner of manifestation? Like Zeus becoming a Swan/Cloud/Old shoe to seduce the ladies. Best way for God to influence mankind at a given point: be "Jesus", and so forth.


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06 Jul 2010, 3:24 pm

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It made perfect sense to the bigwigs who were calling the shots at the Council of Nicea.

That way, some people who didn't quite follow the party line could conveniently be labeled heretics and crucified.



Yeah,

My question is : if the Trinity were so blatantly and clearly obvious(as the adherents tenaciously claim), why was the third element (holy spirit) added in later(decades) after this 'Nicean big wig meet'.
Point by point it doesn't add:
You can look at ancient religions(pre- christian) and see this concept (triads) embedded within.
The grammar doesn't add either, as adherents claim John 1:1 is a proof text via syntax/grammar.
I've seen it all, and at the end of day it boils down to an infusion of religion and philosophy to amalgamate an empire.
>From Dec. 25 as Christ birth to the Easter egg hunt.

Today as yesterday as tomorrow ; it's another mythos over cosmos.
Fascinating that the human mind is. I mean what can't you believe?



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07 Jul 2010, 5:55 pm

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How can a single God be three persons? The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?

I don't believe the doctrine of the Trinity teaches that three Persons equal One. I think that the doctrine says that God is three Persons in One essence. "Essence" touches on the intrinsic properties of God; and "Person" touches on the distinct individuality of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And although "Essence" and "Person" are shared characteristics, they are neither synonymous nor identical.

Since by definition God is omniscient, and since each Person in the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) experiences a specific task unique unto each One, it follows that each Person in the Godhead knows all things not only as a unit but also as an individual. For it's only the Father who sent the Son; and it's only the Son who died for sins; and it's only the Holy Spirit that regenerates those whom the Son saved.

In other words, each Person in the Godhead shares the same objective knowledge of all events that occur; but each Person in the Godhead also has a uniquely subjective knowledge of all events.


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