I'm tired of the disgruntled so-called men

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11 Aug 2010, 2:21 pm

Is it wrong for me to feel physically sick whenever I pass a magazine rack?

The images of emaciated women that I see on the covers are physically disturbing.
They are not beautiful.
They look like painted dolls plastered in make-up undergoing self torture.

This is one of the reasons why I hate shopping.
Not only are the aisles crowded, but my brain is bombarded by society's subliminals.
It's horrible.
It makes me feel stressed, depressed and angry when I'm trying to shop.



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22 Aug 2010, 2:58 am

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its usually the men who only view women on a superficial level- they believe that all women have to do is look pretty because thats the main thing they judge a woman upon themselves. and also probably because theyve become overly focused on sex(or the lack of it) and therefore take the general consensus that women can get laid easier to mean that life as a whole is easier for women.
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THIS. :D


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22 Aug 2010, 3:19 am

OneStepBeyond wrote:
its usually the men who only view women on a superficial level- they believe that all women have to do is look pretty because thats the main thing they judge a woman upon themselves.


You. Are. My. Hero.

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Because that is Exactly what it is my friend. :heart: :heart:



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22 Aug 2010, 6:52 am

Bethie wrote:
OneStepBeyond wrote:
its usually the men who only view women on a superficial level- they believe that all women have to do is look pretty because thats the main thing they judge a woman upon themselves. and also probably because theyve become overly focused on sex(or the lack of it) and therefore take the general consensus that women can get laid easier to mean that life as a whole is easier for women.
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THIS. :D


yes.

not all men objectify women to this degree, i realize. but the overfocus on sex is pretty standard.


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22 Aug 2010, 7:26 am

I have my own perfect body. I don't need to look like a painted doll.


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22 Aug 2010, 3:09 pm

I find it really hard to put myself in the shoes of women who have unwanted attention or harrasment from men. Its just so different from my experience i find it hard to imagine/feel. like i just cant visualise it.



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22 Aug 2010, 3:50 pm

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I find it really hard to put myself in the shoes of women who have unwanted attention or harrasment from men. Its just so different from my experience i find it hard to imagine/feel. like i just cant visualise it.


Its easy- imagine how you would feel if at a meet up if Judy went on at you about how handsome you were and squeezed your knee.



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22 Aug 2010, 3:53 pm

i would have to dip my knee in bleach then. :oops:



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23 Aug 2010, 3:12 am

Mutate wrote:
I find it really hard to put myself in the shoes of women who have unwanted attention or harrasment from men. Its just so different from my experience i find it hard to imagine/feel. like i just cant visualise it.


An ex used to dress up in petticoats and calf length boots, her Bendon bra advertisement billboard was a killer 4me, as we had broken up, and she had gone into rehab.

Dressed like she did, she always got a certain type of attention from men, and walking next to her made me sometimes feel mehle.

Men may not get objectified, but criteria is often imposed regarding work output and production.



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24 Aug 2010, 9:33 am

TeaEarlGreyHot wrote:

This includes women that claim men have it easier because our society is chauvinistic.


I agree with that, society is chauvinistic but think that makes things harder for men than if if wasn't because they are pressured to keep up the chauvinistic state. I think being part of the "opressing group" just means you have a harder time keeping up, IE in countries with racial apartheid the priviliged groups face rising crime and terrorism from the oppresed groups and have to become more violent guilty and unhappy to keep their status.



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24 Aug 2010, 11:17 am

Why hasn't this thread been moved yet? It is well.....weird. At least it improved buy some of the posts made me rage. Especially the hipocrisy the OP and others on her side exihibited.

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Imagine the difficulties being ND, female, and black!

Add short stature, obesity and poverty and then you can really get in on!

In short, white male aspies have it pretty good


:lol: enjoying your white priviledge XD

*is a male, tall, thin black aspie*

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I am going to sound like a jerk, but we will never reach full equality as long as..........

-A women can hit a man, but not the other way around?
Why this wont happen. Men are just naturally physically stronger than a women. I have never seen any women bench 225(average guy wieght) in my gym ever. I am sure it exist. However, such women are usually on rioids

-Men are much more logical thinkers than men
Look at the amount of female engineers in firms

So, when full equality is reached. Can I go up and hit any women that offends me? Is that cool with you women.

I wouldn't really do this. I just think that if full equality is reached that men should be able to get in fights with women and be charged as if they got in a fight with a guy.


Women can and do get arrested for assault. I don't understand the "never hit a woman" rule - it certainly doesn't apply in cases of domestic violence - or is it "never hit a woman that you don't own?"
Also - there's no more sexism or gender stereotypes that girls can't do maths and science right?


From my [admitted small experiences] young suburban white women do not know how to navigate city cores effectively or even use commuter rail correctly. And yes I know this could be cultural conditioning or more accurately unfamiliarity in the first place.


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24 Aug 2010, 11:45 am

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Seriously, I'm sick of this current breed of so-called men whining about how women have it so easy, even if we have ASD, even if we have a LFA to look after, no matter how hard we have it, we're female and our issues don't count.

I'm sick of hearing how we're so lucky because all we have to do is look pretty.

Really?

Wow.

If only.

Well lucky me.

I only have a LFA brother.

I only tore my obliques while restraining him from smashing himself in the face with his fist. I still haven't my usual flexibility in that side.

I only drove everyone away as a teen by incessantly talking about my obsessions. I won't tell you what they were.

Oh and then we have women with more severe ASD. Let's not forget them...they're so lucky. They've only gotten RAPED because they suck at reading body language and couldn't tell that he was dangerous.

They only get blinding headaches from sensory overload just from going outside.

They only get rejected by everyone because they don't know that you shouldn't monologue to complete strangers about rare insects or the 117th element.

Seriously you narcissists, think before you spew out your freaking baseless anger. So you have a hard time getting a date. Same here. You don't see me spew venom at all men everywhere.


Erm, do you feel like this all of the time?

I've tried to see what you are saying, however, I've never met a man that acts the way you describe.

I guess you are either looking for relationships which self destruct, or, you need to get out more.

I'm not trying to be mean to you.

Are you sure you have Aspergers?

You have mentioned 'men' as if the acts of one apply to all of them, while suggesting you don't like to be stereotyped.

You are not making any sense at all.

I'd suggest you make an appointment with your psychiatrist and show them your email - and pretty soon you'll find yourself tripping the light fantastic on the strongest anti depressants known to humanity.

Good luck and stay happy.



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24 Aug 2010, 2:12 pm

I think it´s very sad that Aspies have these heated arguments about which gender has it more difficult. *We* should not be fighting each other. The world is hard enough, without this type of thing added to it.

On this forum, I can relate to so many things that so many people say, regardless of their gender. Much of the time, I am not even aware of the gender of the Poster. I think we all have, at the core, the same problems and difficulties, so why tear each other apart?


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24 Aug 2010, 2:25 pm

Morgana wrote:
I think it´s very sad that Aspies have these heated arguments about which gender has it more difficult. *We* should not be fighting each other. The world is hard enough, without this type of thing added to it.

On this forum, I can relate to so many things that so many people say, regardless of their gender. Much of the time, I am not even aware of the gender of the Poster. I think we all have, at the core, the same problems and difficulties, so why tear each other apart?


I agree with Morgana!

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25 Aug 2010, 5:28 am

(i copied this from my other thread)

Now here is my theory. I think that put-down aspies of both genders have a resentment to the other gender and "play a role" on forums. I believe that naive AS men who have been ignored or messed around by tough NT women see tough aggressive NT men, who don't let women mess them around, and posture on the forum, over- playing the role of the tough, woman hating men they see in life. I also believe, that naive AS women who have been abused by tough NT men, see manipulative tough NT women who haven't let men push them around, and they then posture on the forum, over-playing the role of a woman like that. As they have failed so that is how they want to be seen. Both "performances" inflame and anger the other side, reminding them of their own abuser, and make the other side up their performance to be more extreme and worse. That is my theory.



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25 Aug 2010, 6:46 am

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I was a shy aspie and I missed out on relationships with girls that liked me as i was scared of being intimate, the thought of having to be touched, taking my clothes off etc was too much for me. Also, I was too shy to open conversations with women, and those women who approached me, i would flee from having sex with as i couldn't handle it - even though I liked them and I beat myelf up about these failures lots. It especially makes me feel bad when I talk to female friends who tell me how men come on to them, be forceful in asking them for sex, chat them up, and I just think how crap was I,,I didn't realise how utterly crap i was compared to normal guys as a teen. I have improved a lot now though and became more confident and brave which enabled me to have relationships.

However, I always blamed myself, I was not bitter toward women for this. I knew too well that many women liked me and would have had sex with me had i not flee from it. I just used to freeze up. It was my fault. I dont think I am a true aspie as when i get confidence and get over the fear people find me nice to talk to and my social skills are much better. I think i might be just someone pushed down by a crap shy childhood.

However in the early old days of WP I did used to complain a lot about some of the more able members and how easy they seemed to find it. there seemed to be a few people on the site then who were very social and spent a lot of time boasting about their full social lives and how many partners they had. Even when they complained about their crap relationships or nasty partners it seemed like everyone took it for granted that these people were more mature and serious than everyody else on the site and all became mods and lorded it over everyone and put down the immature men.

I found it unfair as I don't think AS men choose to be immature and annoying, I think their immaturity is thrust on them against their will by not being social enough to get friends and relationships. And I think if we are being fair, there are some immature aspie females out there too and it is not their fault either. Those clever mods had lots of relationships and a full social life, even if the relationships were bad due to their AS problems, they got to grow and become mature and wise through them. The crap aspies never have a chance to grow and become more mature by meeting more people and having friendships and relationships. There should be more sympathy either way from both groups, but that takes maturity and the ability to see life and different problems from someone else' point of view, which unfortunatly are both hard for aspies.

I myself am more mature than when I used to complain about that and have got to know aspies who have had relationships but are still a bit immature and crap, aspies who are celibate but are mature and wise and taken seriously by people, aspies including females who are shy like me and had the same problems as me. However for reasons above i dont think either side should put down or be jealous of the other. I had a relationship a few years ago when i was really depressed and worried about life and it did not help cure me as I thought it might. If anything it made it worse to handle a relationship when i was in a state of feeling bad about life.


What a superb post. I feel no need to add anything to this thread now, because you've pretty much summed up how I feel about it.


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