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08 Sep 2010, 12:51 am

LOL...... ^

What doesn't offend Muslims?

It doesn't matter what the actual 'provocation' is, but the Muslim 'community' is going to get their feathers ruffled just to get their feathers ruffled and constantly keep announcing their presence.

The 'Western Leaders' still fail to understand that those extremists can not be reasoned with, so it must be a fight to the death. Any concessions just keep fueling their appetite. I'm so sick of Western Governments, especially the British government, giving in to these awful people.

(Note, I'm not blaiming the Muslims for overreacitng on this one. I'm calling out the timid Western Leadership that continues to pussyfoot around these jihadists.)

Hopefully its a [email protected]$$ bonfire.



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08 Sep 2010, 1:07 am

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Hopefully its a [email protected]$$ bonfire.



You know what I hope?....I hope all of us who hate the christian right (and for that matter, the radical Muslims, Jews and all the other nutjob religious swine) get raptured into atheist heaven and people like you get left on earth with James Dobson and his ilk.

Me thinks the good Dr. and his minions would make a "[email protected] bonfire" out of your semi-pornographic website in no time.

Or perhaps you thought you could have your cake and eat it too with that god-bothering clunker of a human specimen in charge?

Naturally....they would retain defacto pornographic material for "educational" purposes :wink:


Including child pornography since that seems to be a perennial favorite among religious leaders.



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08 Sep 2010, 1:21 am

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Me thinks the good Dr. and his minions would make a "[email protected] bonfire" out of your semi-pornographic website in no time


I'd take my chances with the "good Doctor" as opposed to the Islamics who make absolutely no secret of the fact that they would outright ban pornography if they were in control, and impose a general Islamo-fascism.

The Christian Right are collective cupcakes compared to the tender mercies of even the mainstream Muslims, to say nothing of the Jihadists.

Even I recognize that the far-right is a paper tiger at present.



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08 Sep 2010, 1:56 am

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Me thinks the good Dr. and his minions would make a "[email protected] bonfire" out of your semi-pornographic website in no time


I'd take my chances with the "good Doctor" as opposed to the Islamics who make absolutely no secret of the fact that they would outright ban pornography if they were in control, and impose a general Islamo-fascism.

The Christian Right are collective cupcakes compared to the tender mercies of even the mainstream Muslims, to say nothing of the Jihadists.

Even I recognize that the far-right is a paper tiger at present.


"At present" being the operative term.


I think you may be little naive my good man. Do you REALLY think these people are "paper tigers" for any other reason beyond want of opportunity??? Keep in mind that the christian religion in the western world has nothing close to the political power it had 400 years ago. Do you seriously think the fundamental worldviews of many on the christian right are vastly different than those of their puritan predecessors? Read what they write and listen to what they say. Or are you unwilling to take psychos at their word in the same manner everyone dismissed Hitler's claims in "Mein Kampf"? Can you say for certain that a christian theocracy could NEVER prevail in America? I honesty don't think it will either, but that's no reason to let one's guard down entirely when it comes to these maniacs. If nothing else, they are still capable of a creating a significant amount of mischief (and i'd say the murder of a doctor who performs abortions every now and then qualifies as "significant mischief") and i'd prefer to thwart even the least of their harmful efforts.


Take a look at Christian Reconstructionism (aka "Dominionism") and then tell me millions on the christian right are so different from the puritans. If given the opportunity...they just might make a bonfire out of you after they're done with your website. After you read all about Christian Reconstructionism, consider the following from William Martin....a sociologist and professor of religion:

“ "It is difficult to assess the influence of Reconstructionist thought with any accuracy. Because it is so genuinely radical, most leaders of the Religious Right are careful to distance themselves from it. At the same time, it clearly holds some appeal for many of them. One undoubtedly spoke for others when he confessed, 'Though we hide their books under the bed, we read them just the same.' In addition, several key leaders have acknowledged an intellectual debt to the theonomists. Jerry Falwell and D. James Kennedy have endorsed Reconstructionist books. Rushdoony has appeared on Kennedy's television program and the 700 Club several times. Pat Robertson makes frequent use of 'dominion' language; his book, The Secret Kingdom, has often been cited for its theonomy elements; and pluralists were made uncomfortable when, during his presidential campaign, he said he 'would only bring Christians and Jews into the government,' as well as when he later wrote, 'There will never be world peace until God's house and God's people are given their rightful place of leadership at the top of the world.' And Jay Grimstead, who leads the Coalition on Revival, which brings Reconstructionists together with more mainstream evangelicals, has said, 'I don't call myself [a Reconstructionist],' but 'A lot of us are coming to realize that the Bible is God's standard of morality … in all points of history … and for all societies, Christian and non-Christian alike… It so happens that Rushdoony, Bahnsen, and North understood that sooner.' He added, 'There are a lot of us floating around in Christian leadership—James Kennedy is one of them—who don't go all the way with the theonomy thing, but who want to rebuild America based on the Bible.'"[17] ”



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08 Sep 2010, 2:10 am

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I hope the day never comes that our fear of "offending" the Muslims will act like a ball and chain upon us.


It's bad enough that fear of "offending" Jews acts like a ball and chain on us.



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The ADL never stopped an anti-semite from offending Jews. By the way the ADL does not threaten violence.

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Neither do 99% of Muslims hatemonger, however you just love the thought of death and mayhem as long as the targets of your hate are where it happens... MORON


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08 Sep 2010, 2:18 am

I respect your opinion, and TBH, I'm not 'terribly naive' about the fundamentalist intentions of some on the far right.

I honestly happen to feel that guys like Pat Robertson are the "Lesser of Two evils" as opposed to the increased aggrandizement of the Islamic fundamentalists in Western countries(that governments like the British government seem to be openly condoning.)

You know as well as I do that the white-rural population that generally fills up these congregations is a sterile and imploding demographic with a sub-replacement birthrate. Once the minority and liberal majorities come of age in a few decades, they'll be able to undo whatever small victories Christian Conservatives win in the here and now. I think the left knows this, and they know as well as I do that the demographic trends are on their side, and in 20 years or so they'll be able to sweep away all vestiges of Pat Robertson and the like. I'm not saying this is necessarily a bad thing either. Its more for this reason that I'm not overly concerned about a 'Christian Theocracy' establishing itself in America. From what I've seen of these megachurches, most of the attendes are older individuals who are actually pretty moderate and only really seek to preserve their status quo, not to establish a new Christian order. There is some talk to be sure, but at the end of the day, nothing is going to happen as they all have a decent place in the present society and aren't going to rock the boat.

As far as I go, I just feel more comfortable with White Christian leaders of a familiar ethnicity, as opposed to being led by foreigners and Muslims who hail from strange cultures. I just prefer to generally associate with my own, people who have somewhat similar interests and intentions as I do. It just happens I have a personal affininty for the general 'rural culture' and I find it much more congenial to myself....... hence I support it. I am White and I'd prefer not to be ruled by Muslims, even if they have decent intent.

I feel the real 'psychos' and the danger come from the Muslim immigrant colonies, who likely still have an increasing birtrate backed up by more immigration. I read one source that predicts that the USA will contain 60 milliion Muslims in the year 2050. While we aren't likely to agree, I see the real threat coming from the side that has numbers and a more vigorous culture. The Christian theocrats are old and dying out anyway.



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08 Sep 2010, 2:18 am

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Well, I'm not saying anything against their right to burn Korans. If they want to tell the rest of the world that they are a bunch of backwards hateful f****, then by all means let them. That's their prerogative as stated by the Constitution.

Of course, if they allow them to do this, then when the mosque next door decides they want to make a bonfire out of a stack of Bibles, then that'd better be allowed too. But of course we all know that isn't going to happen.

But in all seriousness, I do not condone this.

I say this to any Muslims that may be reading this post: This is not how I think, nor how the rest of America thinks. Christianity has its extremists, just like Islam. Just because one church in America decides to stir sh** up does not mean the rest of us feel that way. It's the same way with Islam, al-Qaida does not speak for the majority of Muslims. Just saying.


I salute a sane US citizen.

Seriously folks you need to address a few issues over there 'cause this personal freedom over personal responsibility trip is not getting you anywhere, offending people just for the sheer pleasure of it is obnoxious to say the least and if someone does swat you back then you will have provoked it.
I think some of you are kind of unaware of exactly how antipathetic many of us out here are when you get hit, I heard the reports of nine eleven roll in in real time and while I felt sorry for individual victims I also thought, 'ha! so someone actually [email protected]$#ed you back', then your response - total overkill - and look at the mess you have now...
I think that the west could learn a lot from some aspects of Occidental and Asiatic culture, philosophical traditions that have a lot more to offer us than some of the trash left to us from Christianity, Capitalism and Patriarchal fuedalism.


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08 Sep 2010, 2:44 am

When it comes down to it, I just don't see too much of a threat to people's religious freedoms from people like Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin. Their base of support is a dying population. Their movement may be well-funded, but at the same time, a wealthy base of support is not likely to seriously overturn the status-quo in the long run and impose a "Christian Theocracy."

Most of the younger millenials are all squarely in the Obama-camp. I know there are many younger militant Christians, but even these seem to outwardly conform to liking Tolerance and religious diversity when discussing things face to face.

In the long run, I just don't see the big threat. I think the Tea-Parties may be a flash in the pan this decade, but the Left has the numbers on their side. As the old WWII generation finally dies off this decade, the baby-boomers will likely take total control. I expect it to be a relatively aged political scene for a decade or so.

Even if Palin did become President, what could she really do to terribly oppress the Islamic populaton? Its not like the Republicans could take things too terribly far, at least any further than the Bush administration?



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08 Sep 2010, 5:00 am

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Probably not but it will anger Muslims. Remember how the Muslims reacted to those Mohammed cartoons? Well, making a bonfire of Korans would arguably more offensive.


I hope the day never comes that our fear of "offending" the Muslims will act like a ball and chain upon us. Screw them, if they are offended. No one should be prevented from doing a legal act.

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Exactly.

Frankly, I'd like to see them go through with it and to heck with the consequences.

Here is why....

I am inherently intolerant of those who are intolerant. :lol: (I know, irony.)

Most Muslims are not violent, I understand more than enough of Islam to know that while they are the vast majority, they are heretics. Islam preaches conversion by violence and zero tolerance of the unbelievers. To be a Muslim and NOT adhere to those teaching (in my honest opinion), you must REJECT them, and hence, you are not a devout follower of what your faith teaches.

The same can be said about Jews who call themselves "unorthodox" or Christian "reformists" who pick and choose what teachings in the Bible they accept and reject.

Until we see the peaceful sects of Islam "violently" opposing those that would convert by the sword and subjugate/kill those who do not surrender to Islam, it remains a faith that is a real threat to everyone around it.

An incident like this Koran burning might provoke violence, but you don't see Jews rioting if you burn a Torah or Christians killing over people burning Bibles. It's time to see how Islam handles other people having the right to express themselves. There is no right to NOT be offended.



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08 Sep 2010, 5:09 am

i am against burning so many korans because it will only contribute to global warming.



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08 Sep 2010, 9:50 am

RedHanrahan wrote:
I think that the west could learn a lot from some aspects of Occidental and Asiatic culture, philosophical traditions that have a lot more to offer us than some of the trash left to us from Christianity, Capitalism and Patriarchal fuedalism.


Right. We could learn how to perform clitoris removal on female children and how to cut off heads and limbs from those who offend us. We could even learn how to strap on suicide bombs.

Capitalism has made us rich and comfortable. What do the Mysteries of the East have to offer us?

We have clean water and an average life span of nearly 75 years. What shall we learn from India or the Islamic domains?

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08 Sep 2010, 10:13 am

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08 Sep 2010, 10:14 am

ruveyn wrote:
What do the Mysteries of the East have to offer us?


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08 Sep 2010, 11:23 am

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I honestly happen to feel that guys like Pat Robertson are the "Lesser of Two evils" as opposed to the increased aggrandizement of the Islamic fundamentalists in Western countries(that governments like the British government seem to be openly condoning.)


If you are choosing the lesser of two evils, you are still choosing evil.

Try and find the middle ground.


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08 Sep 2010, 12:19 pm

Edit.... What's the use??????????????????????????????


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08 Sep 2010, 12:24 pm

Oh you funny christians, how your antics amuse and baffle me so.


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