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08 Sep 2010, 5:30 pm

:lol:

Reach out... and CRUSH A DOVE!!


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08 Sep 2010, 5:41 pm

Apparently Bill O' Reily is leading millions of souls to hell.



Come on all you lukewarm christians...burn his books too!! !


Or do you need a holy ghost enema right up your rear-end??? :lol:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AeTEujcr93M[/youtube]



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQu1TBIMSSk&feature=fvw[/youtube]



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08 Sep 2010, 5:45 pm

Horus wrote:
Apparently Bill O' Reily is leading millions of souls to hell.



Come on all you lukewarm christians...burn his books too!! !


Or do you need a holy ghost enema right up your rear-end??? :lol:



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQu1TBIMSSk&feature=fvw[/youtube]


That's one of my favourite songs! :D


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08 Sep 2010, 7:18 pm

Let the Qu'ran speak topic

Book burning may not be illegal, but it is in poor taste, to say the very least. There are other ways to call attention to unfairness. When I see a public display of burning objects, whether they are bras, flags, cars or effigies, it turns me off any message the group was attempting to get across, however legitimate it may be.

Visagrunt is bang on. Find a middle ground, something constructive. 8)


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08 Sep 2010, 10:14 pm

US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.
The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the Devil."

'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Schäfer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. "Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Schäfer said. According to Schäfer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Schäfer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Schäfer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Schäfer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to "pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause," says Schäfer.
By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. "The community imploded," says Schäfer. It only has some 80 active members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of copies of the Koran. Schäfer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the "immense loss of power and significance."

http://www.spiegel.de/international/wor ... 09,00.html

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So apparently this guy is all kinds of crazy more than just simply believing in an invisible superfriend who tells him it's okay to burn other religion's books because they're all devil worshipers.


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08 Sep 2010, 10:43 pm

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Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots.


Who Cares? Let them riot.

Everything revolves around the needs of the "Musllim community," and Muslims take offense over the slightest pretext. The Muslims won't be sated until their Caliphate is established.

Of course they 'naturally' know that the Muslims will war-whoop in the streets. Surprise Surprise.



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09 Sep 2010, 11:51 am

ruveyn wrote:
Nonsense. Write and tell us when some fanatical Jews hijack a commercial flight and crash it into a tall building filled with innocent folk.


Also:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/orthodox-je ... a-1.246153


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09 Sep 2010, 12:30 pm

This is perhaps " one " of the worst ideals I've ever heard of. The very thought of someone intentionally burning something that is considered sacred to millions, just to prove a point that this person doesn't agree with is absurd! Not to mention the imminent danger that this action would put people in here at home, or in Iraq. I personally don't like anything that is taken to a extreme, especially religion. If any pastor, or any congregation prays to God and still thinks it's a good idea should reevaluate their life and beliefs. This very kind of behaviour is exactly why I don't want to associate with " Christians. "


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09 Sep 2010, 1:22 pm

skafather84 wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Nonsense. Write and tell us when some fanatical Jews hijack a commercial flight and crash it into a tall building filled with innocent folk.


Also:

http://www.haaretz.com/news/orthodox-je ... a-1.246153


Religious extremism and any color or stripe is stupid and ugly. And for Jews to burn books, that is very shameful.

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