Burn the Quran - Yes or No
uhm, would you mind throwing in a couple of radical hindu groups in there as well?
anyways, the end result would probably just result in another taliban-like state.
I would hope not, that society can one day advance beyond "my god is better than your god" squabbles.
Unfortunately that won't be any time in my life.
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Now the Jones joker has decided to go to New York on the weekend, and will not be at his church.
Face saving? Now this master at word play has decided to postpone the burning. Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word.
But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?
Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!
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Now the Jones joker has decided to go to New York on the weekend, and will not be at his church.
Face saving? Now this master at word play has decided to postpone the burning. Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word.
But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?
Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!
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Most people don't go quite so far off the deep end in taking things personally. I can buy the argument about not offending moderate Muslims who haven't done anything, but I bristle at the suggestion that the feelings of not so moderate Muslims be in any way considered as a reason not to do something. I take the attitude that if someone is of the mindset that the only thing between them and mass murder is some foreigner halfway around the world's choice of kindling material, I'd rather flush their ass into the open now rather than have to deal with them later.
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Most people don't go quite so far off the deep end in taking things personally. I can buy the argument about not offending moderate Muslims who haven't done anything, but I bristle at the suggestion that the feelings of not so moderate Muslims be in any way considered as a reason not to do something. I take the attitude that if someone is of the mindset that the only thing between them and mass murder is some foreigner halfway around the world's choice of kindling material, I'd rather flush their ass into the open now rather than have to deal with them later.
Yeah...I don't think the extremists should be considered and it's why I hated how Petreus and Obama covered it. They could have responded in a much more effective, much simpler way: "Do you think it'd be fair to arrange a burning of bibles for the anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing? No? Then treat our fellow citizens who are Muslim and not a fringe lunatic group with the same civility."
I'm just strongly opposed to it personally because, to me, it represents too generalized of a call to war against a certain sect of humanity. Burning books like that just strikes me as something as extremist as the people who committed 9/11...just lazier.
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Now the Jones joker has decided to go to New York on the weekend, and will not be at his church.
Face saving? Now this master at word play has decided to postpone the burning. Not suspended, as this was yesterday's word.
But they may well be a burning by the Westboro Baptist church. Remember Fred Phelps?
Send a bus full of the cast members from Little Mosque on the Prairie and protest outside his church!!
We're everywhere.
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I think if we had 'White' Americans who identified themselves as a Christian sect, but they basically quoted much of their dogma from the Koran and Jihadists..... and they built a church compound or whatever, the FBI would follow them obsessively even if they tried to isolate themselves, and the government would eventually raid them like the Branch Davidians at Waco.
The point is that even the 'fringe lunatic jihadist Muslims' can go about doing whatever publically, and the government desperately tries not to offend those people. If it was White Christian cultural-Americans who were forumlating terrorist dogma, the Government would spare no effort to repress them, no matter how badly other Christians may be offended by the crushing of their bretheren. This is because Christians in the west don't generally launch violent protests, while Muslims often do.
I think if a bunch of white people in America copied much of the Koran verbatum, and disguised themselves as a Christian sect with an actual church, the Government would be all over their case. The Government would do whatever it takes or took to crush a group of white people who wished to separate themeselves from the system or begin such a movement.
I must have missed this part earlier. Are you saying that this is going to make AQ leave the rest of us alone and start exclusively whacking ministers and bishops and such instead? Well damn, we should have arranged this years ago, if we could figure out how to "suggest" which ministers were particularly worthy of jihad, this could be a real win/win. I hear Fred Phelps might even be trying to horn in on this book BBQ action, maybe we could convince him that he and his congregation need to take that message directly to the infidels where they live, I know I'd pitch in for plane tickets..
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I think if we had 'White' Americans who identified themselves as a Christian sect, but they basically quoted much of their dogma from the Koran and Jihadists..... and they built a church compound or whatever, the FBI would follow them obsessively even if they tried to isolate themselves, and the government would eventually raid them like the Branch Davidians at Waco.
The point is that even the 'fringe lunatic jihadist Muslims' can go about doing whatever publically, and the government desperately tries not to offend those people. If it was White Christian cultural-Americans who were forumlating terrorist dogma, the Government would spare no effort to repress them, no matter how badly other Christians may be offended by the crushing of their bretheren. This is because Christians in the west don't generally launch violent protests, while Muslims often do.
This kind of tolerance and forbearance will cease with the next "9/11". Recall what American born persons of Japanese ancestry suffered after Pearl Harbor. Once Americans catch on that we are in a war of survival perhaps their attitudes will harden. This is a war in which at most one party will remain standing. The Ummah is out to get us. Jews in particular, but Americans in general.
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The thing I have to laugh about - a guy with a church that has...what...50 members? He can state that he's burning the Quran/Koran and all of a sudden he's got 15 minutes of fame - broadcast all over the US and then around the world. Its like the cheap backdoor in if you want to get a reality tv show contract.
If we had our heads right as a society we'd assert our values by assuring him that no one's listening.
If we had our heads right as a society we'd assert our values by assuring him that no one's listening.
Actually hours of celebrity rather than fifteen minutes of fame. Half of his membership disagreed with him, by the way. And for good reason. They did not want their church bombed or burned down later on.
And not by Muslims, by the way, but by left wing Michael Moore Democrats.
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One media network all but ignored this guy: FOX!! !
details on www.mediaite.com
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If that's still true (and they haven't said anything at all) it goes to show that they see this guy as an embarrassment to conservatives, and admittedly they are a conservative station. I guess you could look at that as either good or bad, depending on what your take is on their motives.
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And not by Muslims, by the way, but by left wing Michael Moore Democrats.
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If this guy's been thinking this way and giving homilies in the sort of direction to give a hint that he's up for this sort of thing I can see where it wouldn't be disagreement - only 50 people thankfully isn't saying a lot. If Westboro Baptists take up the slack though and something happened to them though, can't say that many would miss them - other than perhaps those who just love eating up junkfood in the news.