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30 Sep 2010, 5:45 pm

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contribute to the probem... yes of course. nobody is disputing that. but they are not the majority of the problem, as someone was stating, according to this study.

if you try researching it yourself, you will see more evidence to support what i am saying.

funny but the full quote still supports my point, there are just extraneous summary details. what are you trying to prove here? i'm confused, because you keep offering information that furthers my own point. perhaps you are agreeing with me?

Whether they contribute to the problem or are the biggest part of the problem, we shouldn't be dealing with them being a problem at all!


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30 Sep 2010, 5:54 pm

How about we conquer Canada and assist all of the people seeking to gain access to this country up as far north as possible? They could then have plenty of work shoveling snow in the wintertime and it might be easier for them to learn French than English since French is closer to Latin, from which both Spanish and French have came, than English.



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30 Sep 2010, 7:10 pm

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even though your head man is black.


Yeah, I voted for McCain. Obama does not represent myself or my interests in any way, shape, or form. Even if he wanted to, I feel having a minority president is a slight to the majority. The majority should be represented by their own.

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Well the fact that there ARE black politicians suggests that they aren't all feckless layabouts, and that there are not so many blocks between the average black citizen and anyone else. You're still being rudely generic about what is not just A race but many, but is this problem something to do with American Black culture, or counter-culture, or what? Is it something caused by a bad combination of two different cultures? Does the same problem exist with ALL minorities in the US, or just "blacks"?


the whole agenda of most black politicians in America is ruthless aggrandizement of more power and resources for the black community, and screaming bloody racism whenever the black agenda is opposed.

If Mexicans were the majority, I can't imagine that Mexican politicians would give 2 s**ts about ensuring the welfare of the black community. Any other minority...... Asians, Latinos, Indians, or Arabs, would all focus on looking out for their own if they somehow concentrated the majority of power. They'd not give a damn if black people were 'struggling.' Its only White politicians that care about everybody.

For the most part, the sole activity of minority politicians is just pushing to get more resource allocation for their 'struggling communities,' and scream racism to get their way.



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30 Sep 2010, 11:22 pm

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If Mexicans were the majority, I can't imagine that Mexican politicians would give 2 s**ts about ensuring the welfare of the black community. Any other minority...... Asians, Latinos, Indians, or Arabs, would all focus on looking out for their own if they somehow concentrated the majority of power. They'd not give a damn if black people were 'struggling.' Its only White politicians that care about everybody.

I'm confused. Are you saying that only looking after yourself and those like you are good things, and thus that the minority politicians are all better than the white ones, or are you saying that only looking after yourself and those like you are bad, and thus that since you do these things you are yourself bad?


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30 Sep 2010, 11:31 pm

Please everyone, stop feeding the troll.


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01 Oct 2010, 12:33 am

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Please everyone, stop feeding the troll.


Hey Orwell.............

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I'm confused. Are you saying that only looking after yourself and those like you are good things, and thus that the minority politicians are all better than the white ones, or are you saying that only looking after yourself and those like you are bad, and thus that since you do these things you are yourself bad?


Chinese and Iranian politicians would laugh in the face of the Acorners.



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01 Oct 2010, 5:41 am

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White American students are not any less intelligent than 'the Germans and Japanese,' (per our test scores.) Even though guys like Clinton won't admit it or state it publically, it is really the minority students with abysmal scores dragging everyone down, and then white students get unfairly shafted with 10-hour school days to compensate.


My take on this...looking at SUCCESSFUL "black schools."

We need to take a hard line with education in America...strip the dead weight from the student body.

Let people drown in their own filth. Society has no obligation to support those who choose to fail.

Offer a starving kid in Nigeria an education, they will jump at it. Offer it to an American kid, they typically complain about having to do it. We have it too easy here.

The successful black schools don't tolerate the kid's crap. They are there to learn. If they are disruptive, they are disciplined. If they don't behave after that, they will be expelled from school. The educators will not tolerate disruptive kids who don't want to be there dragging down those who do. Parents are expected to take interest in their kid's education and future. Maybe these kids won't be wealthy or "successful" later in life but it won't be because they graduated as ignorant blacks with no sense of self-worth.

Here we force kids to go to school even if they don't want to be there. Well, let them drop out. We need an underclass what digs through trash to survive (a bit of sarcasm here). I have no compassion for people who choose to do the least they can and EXPECT to be rewarded for it. Yeah, some people make bad choices, but when they wise up, they are willing to work to improve, and it is THEN that they should be rewarded, not before.


Furthermore, in my experience, everything society does to "help" solve the issue of poverty or the social inequities of minorities actually tends to do more to worsen them. You only need talk to people on welfare who would like to get off of it to realize the system is designed to foster dependency, not eliminate it.



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01 Oct 2010, 6:32 am

what age do you feel it appropriate for them to be able to drop out?



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01 Oct 2010, 8:19 am

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Chinese and Iranian politicians would laugh in the face of the Acorners.

I was looking for an explaination of the logical flaws in your argument, and I got a silly non-sequitur.


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01 Oct 2010, 8:27 am

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Offer a starving kid in Nigeria an education, they will jump at it. Offer it to an American kid, they typically complain about having to do it. We have it too easy here.

We do have it easy, but that is actually a good thing.

I think you go a bit too far with the sink-or-swim thing, though. Letting kids drop out too early is a bad idea, since they aren't old enough to be mature enough to make that sort of decision. If we start letting kids decide to drop out in 4th grade, we'll have a bunch that do that, then realize later that they are way behind with little chance of catching up.


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07 Feb 2019, 6:41 pm

Cut them some slack while they're murdering American citizens? I think not.


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08 Feb 2019, 11:35 am

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That misses the point.

American crime is largely in the ghettos ("bad areas") where gangs and drug dealers do business.

However, illegal alien crime hits ordinary citizens.

That's the problem.


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08 Feb 2019, 11:42 am

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Piobaire wrote:

That misses the point.

American crime is largely in the ghettos ("bad areas") where gangs and drug dealers do business.

However, illegal alien crime hits ordinary citizens.

That's the problem.

Prove it. Cite at least one reputable source to support that assertion.



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08 Feb 2019, 11:57 am

Piobaire wrote:
LoveNotHate wrote:
Piobaire wrote:

That misses the point.

American crime is largely in the ghettos ("bad areas") where gangs and drug dealers do business.

However, illegal alien crime hits ordinary citizens.

That's the problem.

Prove it. Cite at least one reputable source to support that assertion.

You want me to prove to you that people intentionally avoid high crime ghetto ("dangerous areas").

Well, when an America buys a home they search online on sites like:

http://www.city-data.com/crime/
https://www.crimereports.com

and see which areas are safe and which are not.

THEY WANT SAFE CITIES.

They try to stay out of ghetto, dangerous, high crime areas.

It's obvious.


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08 Feb 2019, 3:36 pm

There is a difference between 'illegal immigrants' and 'legal immigrants', I don't think anybody suggests that 'legal immigrants' pose any problems(excluding Islamist's(Not all but the nature of beliefs within this religion)). Illegal immigrants are a completely different subject. Because they are not legally here their living conditions can be quite chaotic(yet again, not all but the majority).

I know personally because I have worked with an illegal immigrant which lived in an entire neighborhood of illegal immigrants that was in fact a ghetto. All of them can't illegally find work so they may also rob and stab each other, I know this because he told me and told me to drop him off near his place rather than at it because if others find out he has a job they may try to rob him and potentially stab him, therefor he also hid his money in his sock.

It's pretty shocking that you would think someone would have to 'cite' the fact that ghettos are well known for having higher crime rates.

Go to a ghetto and look at prices on homes. You will notice that the price dramatically drops on homes within rough neighborhoods. This is because it's a last resort, no one desires to live in a bad neighborhood unless the intend on doing illegal deeds or trying to help the neighborhood or can't afford to live elsewhere.

If you talk to a lot of legal immigrants you will find that it's quite disrespectful to them(not all but the majority) that people seem to want to 'stand up' for illegal immigrants when they fraught so very hard to enter the country legally and struggle to find jobs because it can be a challenge for someone who just entered the country.