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Who would win/ who is more evil?
Voldemort - The Dark Lord 50%  50%  [ 12 ]
Darth Vader - The Dark Lord of the Sith 50%  50%  [ 12 ]
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07 Oct 2010, 5:46 pm

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Why isn't Sauron on that list? He's a better villain than both of them.

Sauron? Pfff, Edward Scissorhands could take him out.


Really?

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07 Oct 2010, 9:25 pm

Nerdiness! I feel so at home! :wtg:

Between Vader an voldy, I don't know much about Voldy, but intuition tells me Vader would force-pull Voldy's wand out of his hand.

As for an all-out villian brawl, you have villains like Ganondorf who can only be hurt by weapons other villains can't wield, so the winner would have to be someone who can manipulate heros to kill said villains for them

While most people would point to Palpatine for the clone wars, Palpatine never really said or did anything that convinced me he was actually capable of pulling off what the plot said he did. He accomplished it by the grace of the plot fairy.

Sir Baldwin is much better, as he could manipulate both heros and villains with ease. He is also incredibly ruthless: sure, many villains don't care about their pawns, but Baldwin cared deeply for Richard and Thamuz, and sacrificed them without any hesitation anyway. Now THAT'S ruthlessness. But Baldwin needs an army backing him up: he's not that impressive one-on-one.

Mithos: now we're getting somewhere! Mithos manipulate hundreds, maybe even thousands of heros and heroines to die for a cause he made up. Lines like "That is mere logic people are not moved by logic" Show that he is a capable manipulator, as opposed to the plot just saying he is. And unlike Sir Baldwin, Mithos is capable of holding his own against multiple opponents. But Mithos is a little unstable, and While he may have been able to pull the wool over most people's eyes, Loyd, and myself, both saw right through him.

I would give the prize to everybody's favorite parentalistic dracocidal false goddess, Myra. While Myra may not like fighting, She's the best villain I've ever seen at manipulating heros. She could probably get the hero who defeated each of the villains we're discussing to kill them, and then get the townspeople to kill all of those heros for fear of their power. Myra wasn't just persuasive to the characters within the story, I almost feel for her facile view of what the world should be, because she actually made some pretty good points. When you can (almost) manipulate someone who is an outsider to the story, then you're a real manipulator. In addition, Myra can hold her own if attacked, assuming you can figure out where the **** she is, and that is a pretty big assumption.



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08 Oct 2010, 1:37 am

To the above poster, you just opened up another can of worms by dragging in other villains to this showdown.

And to the OP, thank you for starting something that now cannot be stopped.

I take no responisbility for the shitstorm of nerdiness about to unfold. If anyone wants me, I'll be hiding under my Matrix Code rock.

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08 Oct 2010, 1:54 am

In my defense, I would argue that these things aren't any fun unless you allow all applicants to particapate :P



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08 Oct 2010, 4:54 am

LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
Lecks wrote:
LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
Why isn't Sauron on that list? He's a better villain than both of them.

Sauron? Pfff, Edward Scissorhands could take him out.


Really?

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Snippety snip and Sauron goes boom.



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08 Oct 2010, 5:45 pm

Voldemort. He's pure evil with no redeeming qualities.

Darth Vader was pretty evil blowing up planets and trying to kill his kids and everything, but he was good once and died somewhat redeemed. He was a good kid and a good teen....

Voldemort was evil from the moment Dumbledore met him and the stories told my the lady at the Orphanage suggested more about his character. He was an evil child, an evil teen (the inquiry about the horcruxes), and a very very evil adult :evil: . He caused countless deaths and had devoted followers who carried out atrocities in his name, even after his first demise.

Vader was disfigured, yet lived until he died (a mortal). Voldemort went so far as to split himself into horcruxes so he could never officially be killed unless someone defeated him (or his horcruxes) multiple times. He cheats in life and in death.

Vader was made into evil, Voldy was born evil.

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08 Oct 2010, 6:54 pm

Lecks wrote:
LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
Lecks wrote:
LordoftheMonkeys wrote:
Why isn't Sauron on that list? He's a better villain than both of them.

Sauron? Pfff, Edward Scissorhands could take him out.


Really?

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Snippety snip and Sauron goes boom.


The Ring isn't a toy to turn the wearer invisible and whisper sweet nothings to passing Riflemen or give them +10 to Mace Clobbering. It's an organisational tool for giving the Dark Lord a few bazillion orcs to do his dirty work and take the hits for him. :wink:

Vader would beat Voldy, because a) he'd snap Voldy's wand and b) he's a good guy at heart, so Voldy is bound to lose by the house rules of both their universes.


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08 Oct 2010, 6:55 pm

You people fail to realize that VOLDEMORT DOESN'T NEED A WAND TO CAST SPELLS.


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08 Oct 2010, 7:21 pm

Pistonhead wrote:
You people fail to realize that VOLDEMORT DOESN'T NEED A WAND TO CAST SPELLS.


I was just thinking that!

He's done bad things to his peers even before Ollivander stuck a wand in his hand. Same with Harry.



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08 Oct 2010, 7:24 pm

Yeah exactly, as an orphan kid with no knowledge of magic and no wand experience he was able to cast s**t. Seriously, how dependent can he possibly be on wands now? I mean with his wand he could duel against the elder wand, he would at least be a match for vader without his wand and could just as easily if not easier disarm Darth Vader. Also Voldemort can teleport at will, fly, etc. Vader wouldn't even be able to keep up with Voldemort.


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08 Oct 2010, 7:51 pm

Well, maybe Voldy would win in a fight...

but Vader would win in a "who's better written" contest. Voldemort is just "Hitler if he was a wizard". And losing a "who's better written" contest to a star wars character is like losing a thumb-wresting contest to a cat.

Pistonhead: If you thought the fight was so one-sided, why even ask? having a debate with some RL friends over this?



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08 Oct 2010, 8:19 pm

I didn't ask! I was the first responder NOT the first poster!

How is Vader better written? If I had to write descriptions for both characters

Darth Vader is the former Anakin Skywalker, also known as the chosen one. Anakin was an angsty teenager that knocked a senator up while the apprentice of Obi Wan Kenobi. For fear of his baby momma dying in labor he killed the entire population of the Jedi Academy on Coruscant at the request of Darth Sidious. His baby momma then died in labor while he laid dying helplessly on the surface of a planet covered in lava. Fortunately for him Darth Sidious still had use for him and saved his ass. He is now only a fraction as powerful as his former self, a tool of the empire and a complete p****.

Lord Voldemort was once known as Thomas Marvolo Riddle. He was a magically gifted orphan who just likes to make people suffer cause he can. He is almost unmatched in power even by the most powerful wizards possessing artifacts of great power such as the Elder Wand in the hands of Albus Dumbledore. Voldemort has no weaknesses emotional or otherwise.


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08 Oct 2010, 11:05 pm

As a complete Star Wars nerd (dozens of novels, comics, resource books, games, etc.) I have to say that Vader would most likely lose. It's doubtful that a lightsaber could block magic and while Vader could destroy Voldemort's wand with the Force it has been shown that be doesn't need a wand to use magic. Vader can't even use Force lightning because his limbs aren't organic, he's limited physically by the suit, it was said in the novels that he could never be a true Sith master because of the suit and how it limited his abilities. Voldemort doesn't have any of these problems.

Now, Voldemort vs Palpatine would be much more interesting. Voldemort vs Darth Bane could be good too, I wonder how magic would affect Bane's orbalisk armour, it would probably just bounce off.



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09 Oct 2010, 12:37 am

Pistonhead wrote:
I . Voldemort has no weaknesses emotional or otherwise.


Well thats just not true. Have you read you final book?

SPOILER ALERT if you haven't read the final book

Voldemort loses to a boy. Even with the elder wand which didn't work properly for him.

Darth Vader would have never lost to Harry Potter.



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09 Oct 2010, 12:39 am

Pistonhead wrote:
I . Voldemort has no weaknesses emotional or otherwise.


Well thats just not true. Have you read you final book?

SPOILER ALERT if you haven't read the final book

Voldemort loses to a boy. Even with the elder wand which didn't work properly for him.

Darth Vader would have never lost to Harry Potter.



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09 Oct 2010, 12:39 am

Pistonhead wrote:
I . Voldemort has no weaknesses emotional or otherwise.


Well thats just not true. Have you read you final book?

SPOILER ALERT if you haven't read the final book

Voldemort loses to a boy. Even with the elder wand which didn't work properly for him.

Darth Vader would have never lost to Harry Potter.