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02 Jun 2006, 3:57 am

I am firmly against guns where they are not needed. They are a danger and a protection from the criminal. It is of protectionism against the existence of them in the first place by having them to defend against others with them. So really possibilities equating fear but also there is hunting uses.

Same with nuke bombs, countries want them for power like individuals or armies have guns for power and protection. To have guns and the foe not is too great of an advantage, so the foe must have them as well. This would be true for nuke technologies as well.

Back to gun laws, do you believe in the right to have a gun?

For simple fact of danger by the existence of them and criminal behaviors, some deem it necessary to have one for protection. Do you agree with that?

Personally I'd never handle one, I hate them and also they make to much noise. It is worse then a loud motor noise or perhaps worse then being in a car when the driver is doing doughnuts (skidding in circles at full speed) like a crazed lunatic. Maniacs!



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02 Jun 2006, 1:03 pm

I definitely support in the right to have a gun. The harsh reality is that criminals will always have guns; they'll find a way to get them no matter what. But law-abiding citizens will be left utterly defenseless if gun control in enacted. A poem on a billboard in downstate Illinois goes like this:

Violent thugs
Won't dare attack,
If their victim
Might shoot back.



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02 Jun 2006, 11:06 pm

I think it'd be better if people who want guns just got dogs instead. Not guard dogs, but theraputic/companion ones that happened to have very loud barks. Criminals, guns or not, typically don't break into a house if they hear a lot of barking coming from the inside of it, and studies have shown that most people who go to prison never had pets. Never underestimate the power of petting a panting dog, unless that dog's constant barking has driven you to the brink of insanity or something...in which case it might be better to go for something a bit quieter.

Actually, I think it'd be better if we just stopped making guns altogether. It'd be a lot harder for anyone to find guns if nobody made them, militia included. The problem is that all countries would have to take part in this or guns could be shipped illegally from overseas, and that just wouldn't happen. I can't imagine every country on the planet giving up war and guns--too many governments are just too addicted to all that.



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03 Jun 2006, 10:10 am

I support the right to have a gun. I think there should be training along with it though and current gun laws enforced instead of making new ones. Taget shooting is fun and many like hunting as for self defense I actually don't think they are as much use as many say mainly becuse I don't think a lot of people would have the nerve to use them and without that they are useless.
To not making them anymore any basic machine shop(even the one in my basement) could produce them we can't stop contries from making nukes how would you stop this?


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03 Jun 2006, 5:38 pm

I am undecided ultimately.


I figure if the U.S homeland was ever atttacked, having several million if not more gun owners with experience an enemy would be hesitant.

Now that's what I call homeland security!



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05 Jun 2006, 7:51 pm

Look at it as this: Gun related issues in this country WILL NOT be solved. There is too many people on each side to make a decision. So understand both sides and live with eachother.

:arrow: "The second ammendment is an outdated idea to protect from indians, wild animals, and reterning english troops".......Yes it is, but it can be shown modernly to us as when any dictatorship comes in to play, right before they kill 10000 people a day they take their means of defense away.
:arrow: "I'm protectin' my family and home" (may I interject you hear this in the south from theese rebel as*holes a whole lot) What are you protecting your trailer from? And I dont want your inbread hick kids. You dont want the gun to protect land and family want it to shoot deer. shut up and kill the deer with a battle axe.
:arrow: "If people had less guns, less people would be killed" heres a true statistic (from the US govornment in a team with CANADA'S govornment) 87% of guns used in crime are already in some way illegal. That means that that wont stop crime. It will stop the legit gun owners who are using their guns right and safely.

there are sensable ideas for both sides, but hte fact is if we illeagalize guns we will find a new way to kill eachother. It has been going on for centries.



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05 Jun 2006, 9:59 pm

andrew wrote:
"If people had less guns, less people would be killed" heres a true statistic (from the US govornment in a team with CANADA'S govornment) 87% of guns used in crime are already in some way illegal.



I gotta admit, that statistic's pretty convincing.



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07 Jun 2006, 7:40 pm

This subject is sort of like abortion, yet not as controversial perhaps.



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10 Jun 2006, 11:59 am

Gun control is a very two-sided issue... On one hand, we must keep guns out of the hands of criminals who would abuse them and use them to hurt the innocent... Yet, on the other hand, we must protect our right to bear arms, to protect ourselves from dangerous criminals, and ultimately to protect ourselves against the government should they get out of line and try to overtake us, the people. This may happen sooner than people realise (read by post about theocracy in America).
Guns will never be off the streets in America, be they legally or illegally purchased. Yet, I think we need the presence of guns moreso than the absence of guns... Criminals will get guns one way or the other, they'll only kill a few ppl at a time until theyr caught. However, without guns ALOT of innocent people will be killed and/or oppressed. This is why our bill of rights gave us the right to bear arms.



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10 Jun 2006, 4:35 pm

I'm not afraid of the criminals. I disagree with people who buy guns to protect themselves from criminals. But the NRA is entirely right in saying that you should be allowed to buy cop killers, machine guns, automatic weaponry, and anything else you want(I'm debating whether nuclear weaponry applies here). Government is a thing to be distrusted. I want a means to start another Civil War if I have to. That is what bearing arms is all about. It is being able to protect yourself from a government that could go against you. Banning guns would be taking that power away from the people, and with that you would lose your freedom.

Postscript-I'm not talking about Bush's "freedom" where they tap your phones. I'm talking real freedom, the kind where the press can publish classified documents and drugs are legal. Actual freedom, not this new bull**** kind.



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11 Jun 2006, 12:20 am

This is how dictators came to power in Russia, Germany, Cuba, China, Iraq, Italy, you name it... They started by taking guns away from civilians so the people couldn't protect themselves... And that is what Bush wants to do to us... But they'll never get all the guns off the streets of america, no matter what laws they pass... Guns are the number 2 black market saler in America, just behind drugs... The 3rd black market saler is a bit more sickening, that's where they kidnap girls and force them into prostitution as slaves... Very evil s**t.



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11 Jun 2006, 4:39 am

bear in mind that crime is to some degree perpetuated by government. government needs crime, in order for the masses to believe that they need a government to protect them from crime. and criminals are nothing more than a product of their environment.



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11 Jun 2006, 10:27 am

snake321 wrote:
This is how dictators came to power in Russia, Germany, Cuba, China, Iraq, Italy, you name it... They started by taking guns away from civilians so the people couldn't protect themselves... And that is what Bush wants to do to us... But they'll never get all the guns off the streets of america, no matter what laws they pass... Guns are the number 2 black market saler in America, just behind drugs... The 3rd black market saler is a bit more sickening, that's where they kidnap girls and force them into prostitution as slaves... Very evil s**t.

What's 4? And where have you found this list?



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11 Jun 2006, 12:42 pm

I seen it on a documentary about human trafficking... Human trafficking is a disgusting trade where they kidnap girls and children at gun point, sale them into slavery, ship them accross the world, and make money off of them being raped. The women have no rights, and are kept in line from trying to escape by threats made by their pimp to hurt or kill their family members. Currently it's a new crime market that is fastly rising, it is already rivaling the illegal drugs and firearms trades.... Lotsa this goes on in Mexico, but it happens all over the world... But Mexico is one of the leading nations in this crime market... So is America because it's easy for them to stay on the run and avoid capture here, due to the fact we're like many nations conglomerated into one bigger nation (states). They just keep them moving from state to state, town to town... Many of these women end up dying from AIDS too.
They often pose as modeling agencies, escort agencies, mail order bride agencies, etc.. Escorts are usually trained through fear to hide that they've been trafficked, but there are ways to know if she's been trafficked, signs to look for. I know this because I studied it so I would know, because this is the only way I can get laid obviously lol. Like one woman I hired had an "I don't wanna be here" kinda attitude, she insisted on doing it in the dark with no lights on (possibly so I didn't see any scars where she might have been beaten), she wouldn't do oral... So I didn't do anything with her... About a month later a trafficking ring was busted up in my area, it was lead by some hispanic dude... Damn I can't remember the dude's name though.



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11 Jun 2006, 1:24 pm

I'd just like to keep away from the guns unless the good guys have them.



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11 Jun 2006, 2:27 pm

sc wrote:
I'd just like to keep away from the guns unless the good guys have them.


It's not always clear who the "good guys" are. Oftentimes it's a matter of opinion, who's fighting for what you believe in, for oftentimes both sides doing deeds most immoral.