Hell Set To Freeze Over UK As The Cons Bring Workfare UK In

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07 Nov 2010, 10:40 am

Unemployed face compulsory labour

Terrible times ahead for the long term unemployed who are the scapegoat of a failed society in the UK for merely existing.

Compulsory work on £1 an hour is nothing but an invitation to do a bit of criminal enterprise. I’m surprised that I haven’t become a criminal in this country considering the measly sum that I live on. I’d love to work, but there’s simply not enough work out there.

Unless it’s the Surplus value style of work that’s just about to become more predominant in this country unfortunately.



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07 Nov 2010, 10:48 am

By forcing people to work at one pound an hour they are stripping away decent jobs... they really want to destroy the country. It's basically bringing in slave labour.



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07 Nov 2010, 11:10 am

I didn't know the Brits went in for involuntary servitude. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to let the chronically unemployed starve?

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07 Nov 2010, 11:38 am

ruveyn wrote:
I didn't know the Brits went in for involuntary servitude. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to let the chronically unemployed starve?

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The starving can't do all the sh***y jobs the council are too high and mighty to perform.

This amounts to chain gangs for people whose only crime is to be unemployed. Which still isn't a crime, despite the best efforts of the media.


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07 Nov 2010, 11:54 am

Macbeth wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
I didn't know the Brits went in for involuntary servitude. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to let the chronically unemployed starve?

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The starving can't do all the sh***y jobs the council are too high and mighty to perform.

This amounts to chain gangs for people whose only crime is to be unemployed. Which still isn't a crime, despite the best efforts of the media.


Where is it written that the taxpayer must feed these idle folk? Why can't they just go to their bowls to beg? Or better still, lower taxes so someone can afford to employ some of these idle folk.

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07 Nov 2010, 12:15 pm

That's the Big Society - a pool of slave labour so that the rich can save money so they can do currency speculation and other productive enterprise. Is this any surprise?



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07 Nov 2010, 12:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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ruveyn wrote:
I didn't know the Brits went in for involuntary servitude. Wouldn't it be much cheaper to let the chronically unemployed starve?

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The starving can't do all the sh***y jobs the council are too high and mighty to perform.

This amounts to chain gangs for people whose only crime is to be unemployed. Which still isn't a crime, despite the best efforts of the media.


Where is it written that the taxpayer must feed these idle folk? Why can't they just go to their bowls to beg? Or better still, lower taxes so someone can afford to employ some of these idle folk.

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Therein lies the flaw in almost every statement about the unemployed made by "tax-payers", the middle classes, the media, and politicians. That the unemployed are "idle". Vast numbers of those unfortunate enough to lack a job are people who have fallen foul of the recession, spending cuts, "belt-tightening" and a simple lack of jobs. They are not "idle" or "lazy" and many of them have paid into the system for years. Many of them work harder at finding a job than some slack bastards do when they have a job.

Perhaps if some of the tasks the indentured unemployed are going to be forced to perform were merely made into "jobs" that paid a proper wage, there wouldn't be so many unemployed people. But its cheaper to get these tasks done for a pittance an hour by people with no safety net, no recourse to a higher authority, and no choice but to work regardless of the task. No unions either. Nor will they receive a "living wage" or even the legal minimum wage required of employers. No increase in living standards, no betterment of their credit rating, and no increase in their social standing. No job security, no choice in their manner of employment, no increase in confidence or pride, and no attempt to get people working in an area that might be suitable for them, or utilize their skills and talents. In fact NONE of the "Benefits" of getting a job at all.

They did try this before under the name "New Deal" and it was a pointless waste of time and money and did exactly bugger all to increase the number of people in employment.


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07 Nov 2010, 12:24 pm

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Therein lies the flaw in almost every statement about the unemployed made by "tax-payers", the middle classes, the media, and politicians. That the unemployed are "idle". Vast numbers of those unfortunate enough to lack a job are people who have fallen foul of the recession, spending cuts, "belt-tightening" and a simple lack of jobs. They are not "idle" or "lazy" and many of them have paid into the system for years. Many of them work harder at finding a job than some slack bastards do when they have a job.



The cure for that is more capital investment (with a reasonable promise of returns) to put into business that will hire more of the idle folks. If the capitalists will not invest in businesses that provide jobs and income to the many Out There, what would you recommend? Have the government take over business like that did in Britain after WW2.? Britain fell into a wallow and slough of inferior productivity after the Labor Party socialists took over production. Germany ate Britain's lunch, and these were the people who -lost- the war. The aparachiks and the bully boys of the trades unions took over and history will testify to what happened to Britain. The economy turned to sh*t.

So what would you recommend?

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07 Nov 2010, 12:37 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Macbeth wrote:

Therein lies the flaw in almost every statement about the unemployed made by "tax-payers", the middle classes, the media, and politicians. That the unemployed are "idle". Vast numbers of those unfortunate enough to lack a job are people who have fallen foul of the recession, spending cuts, "belt-tightening" and a simple lack of jobs. They are not "idle" or "lazy" and many of them have paid into the system for years. Many of them work harder at finding a job than some slack bastards do when they have a job.



The cure for that is more capital investment (with a reasonable promise of returns) to put into business that will hire more of the idle folks. If the capitalists will not invest in businesses that provide jobs and income to the many Out There, what would you recommend? Have the government take over business like that did in Britain after WW2.? Britain fell into a wallow and slough of inferior productivity after the Labor Party socialists took over production. Germany ate Britain's lunch, and these were the people who -lost- the war. The aparachiks and the bully boys of the trades unions took over and history will testify to what happened to Britain. The economy turned to sh*t.

So what would you recommend?

ruveyn


Well, these "money-saving" measures only exist because of ridiculous sub-prime mortgage lending to trailer trash. Maybe the US banks should pay us?

Primarily though, by far the quickest and most efficient way to save a crap-load of money is to leave Europe immediately, regain control of our own borders, and start to implement our own laws again. Saves us a crapload of cash, a whole heapload of extra people DON'T end up here, and we don't have to create a "Slave" class to do it.

Even better, as none of this "debt" actually exists in real space, just shift a decimal point, press enter and "oops, no more debt."

Or we could start a war with the US, lose, then demand help from the EU and the UN to "rebuild", like the Germans did.

So long as there is no "Slave" class, I honestly don't mind.


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