The wealth of a nation is the citizens education.

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chrissyrun
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01 Dec 2010, 8:52 pm

Voice your opinions about it!...



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01 Dec 2010, 9:20 pm

To the extent that education is set to challenge and built active thought, and not day care, socialization, memorization of "facts" and - to quote one of my colleagues - indoctrination.

Far too much North American "education" is designed to build uniformity.

The true wealth is the independence of the citizenry.

But the more we talk up diversity, the less we encourage it.



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01 Dec 2010, 9:34 pm

Philologos wrote:
To the extent that education is set to challenge and built active thought, and not day care, socialization, memorization of "facts" and - to quote one of my colleagues - indoctrination.

Far too much North American "education" is designed to build uniformity.

The true wealth is the independence of the citizenry.

But the more we talk up diversity, the less we encourage it.


It's a pleasure to agree completely with you.



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01 Dec 2010, 9:55 pm

Miracles happen. I rather enjoy it meself.



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01 Dec 2010, 9:56 pm

Education is the key to social mobility for individuals and economic vitality for a nation. Without an educated citizenry, not only do we suffer the social ills of a stratified and stagnating society, but our economy is unable to compete internationally.


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01 Dec 2010, 10:29 pm

Well, our anthropology student association has voted by a large majority to go on strike this next monday in order to protest against a so-called "consultation" of the partners in post-secondary education by our provincial government. The current plan to raise the university entrances fees was supposed to stop soon, but they want to keep it going. =/

We're pretty much sure that there'll be no real discussion between us and the government to find other alternatives, so at this rate, we're mostly going on strike (for one day) only so that later on our government can't pretend that there were no disagreements with their decision. <.<

Well, that should tell you how i value education then, would it not? =/



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01 Dec 2010, 11:23 pm

Orwell wrote:
Education is the key to social mobility for individuals and economic vitality for a nation. Without an educated citizenry, not only do we suffer the social ills of a stratified and stagnating society, but our economy is unable to compete internationally.


What do you think has been happening for the last couple decades?


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01 Dec 2010, 11:55 pm

phil777 wrote:
We're pretty much sure that there'll be no real discussion between us and the government to find other alternatives, so at this rate, we're mostly going on strike (for one day) only so that later on our government can't pretend that there were no disagreements with their decision. <.<


XD must be the French heritage.



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01 Dec 2010, 11:58 pm

phil777 wrote:
we're mostly going on strike (for one day) /



That's a sick day, not a strike. Strikes are prolonged affairs and do carry some level of risk.


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02 Dec 2010, 7:07 am

chrissyrun wrote:
Voice your opinions about it!...


The true capital of a nation or society is the skill and the knowledge possessed by the people and their willingness to use that skill and knowledge productively.

If most of the capital goods in our nation disappeared overnight leaving only enough for a portion of the people to survive physically, it could be rebuilt and restored withing a human lifetime. So it is what we know and our know-how that precedes all of our material wealth.

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02 Dec 2010, 7:33 am

And Prussia lead the world, in many ways still do, teaching the children to be able to think for themselves so enabling them to educate themselves further, nowadays, just as the Clash sang, "white kids go to school, where they teach you to, how be thick", education is more about learning what "they" want you to think.

From Wilkipedia:-

During the 18th century, the Kingdom of Prussia was among the first countries in the world to introduce tax-funded and generally compulsory primary education, comprising an eight-year course of primary education, called Volksschule. It provided not only the skills needed in an early industrialized world (reading, writing and arithmetic), but also a strict education in ethics, duty, discipline and obedience. Affluent children often went on to attend preparatory private schools for an additional four years, but the general population had virtually no access to secondary education.

Emulation of the Prussian education system in the United States

American educators were fascinated by German educational trends. In 1818, John Griscom gave a favorable report of Prussian education. English translations were made of French philosopher Victor Cousin's work, "Report on the State of Public Education in Prussia." Calvin E. Stowe, Henry Barnard, Horace Mann, George Bancroft and Joseph Cogswell all had a vigorous interest in German education. In 1843, Mann traveled to Germany to investigate how the educational process worked. Upon his return to the United States, he lobbied heavily to have the "Prussian model" adopted.

Mann convinced his fellow modernizers, especially those in the Whig Party to legislate tax-supported elementary public education in their states. Indeed, most northern states adopted one version or another of the system he established in Massachusetts, especially the program for "normal schools" to train professional teachers[2]. In 1852, Mann was instrumental in the decision to adopt the Prussian education system in Massachusetts. Soon New York state set up the same method in 12 different schools on a trial basis.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:05 am

Most well known self made entrepreneurs either dropped out of college or never went. Education is merely a tool to make sure people act as robotically and sheepishly as possible. Those who do something better than the adverage path of getting a normal job have little to no need for it, as history tells us.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:08 am

I dropped out of college twice and very rarely follow the rules. The result is obvious. I'm not being held down by rules/regulations. I never thought that I would get this far. :D



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02 Dec 2010, 8:15 am

Asp-Z wrote:
Most well known self made entrepreneurs either dropped out of college or never went. Education is merely a tool to make sure people act as robotically and sheepishly as possible. Those who do something better than the adverage path of getting a normal job have little to no need for it, as history tells us.


Therefor it would seem better to close all the schools and stop worrying about kids learning to read. If they can't read they can't get tangled up in the internet or texting or read advertising or street names. They cannot get driver's licenses and so eventually all the buses will stop running and we will have a much more peaceful world since they will never qualify for the armed forces. Great solution.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:18 am

Sand wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Most well known self made entrepreneurs either dropped out of college or never went. Education is merely a tool to make sure people act as robotically and sheepishly as possible. Those who do something better than the adverage path of getting a normal job have little to no need for it, as history tells us.


Therefor it would seem better to close all the schools and stop worrying about kids learning to read. If they can't read they can't get tangled up in the internet or texting or read advertising or street names. They cannot get driver's licenses and so eventually all the buses will stop running and we will have a much more peaceful world since they will never qualify for the armed forces. Great solution.


Nah, most people will still need education because most people want that normal life, but the few who want something more don't.

I'm referring to higher education (college and university), though, obviously not primary school.



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02 Dec 2010, 8:26 am

Asp-Z wrote:
Sand wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
Most well known self made entrepreneurs either dropped out of college or never went. Education is merely a tool to make sure people act as robotically and sheepishly as possible. Those who do something better than the adverage path of getting a normal job have little to no need for it, as history tells us.


Therefor it would seem better to close all the schools and stop worrying about kids learning to read. If they can't read they can't get tangled up in the internet or texting or read advertising or street names. They cannot get driver's licenses and so eventually all the buses will stop running and we will have a much more peaceful world since they will never qualify for the armed forces. Great solution.


Nah, most people will still need education because most people want that normal life, but the few who want something more don't.

I'm referring to higher education (college and university), though, obviously not primary school.


So who's forcing you to go to college?