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13 Dec 2010, 11:26 pm
Quartz11 wrote:
I recently seen in a couple posts here, and heard comments from my grandfather, about how liberals are destroying the country.
With that said, what then is the conservative of conservative ideal world? If there were no liberal ideas allowed to exist, what would you have left? Just curious.
With that said, what then is the conservative of conservative ideal world? If there were no liberal ideas allowed to exist, what would you have left? Just curious.
Imagine a jackboot stomping on the face of humanity forever.
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14 Dec 2010, 12:52 am
jamieboy wrote:
Quartz11 wrote:
I recently seen in a couple posts here, and heard comments from my grandfather, about how liberals are destroying the country.
With that said, what then is the conservative of conservative ideal world? If there were no liberal ideas allowed to exist, what would you have left? Just curious.
With that said, what then is the conservative of conservative ideal world? If there were no liberal ideas allowed to exist, what would you have left? Just curious.
Imagine a jackboot stomping on the face of humanity forever.
no, only on the faces of the weak, the poor, the addled.
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14 Dec 2010, 7:50 pm
Orwell wrote:
2) You do realize that Obama has, on balance, cut taxes? (A simple yes or no on this one, please. I am interested in seeing the extent of your Obama derangement syndrome)
Personally, I didn't know this. Let's work with this though. He's cut taxes and given out stimulus packages. That would be decreasing government income but increasing government spending. Wisdom itself!
14 Dec 2010, 7:54 pm
14 Dec 2010, 8:12 pm
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
2) You do realize that Obama has, on balance, cut taxes? (A simple yes or no on this one, please. I am interested in seeing the extent of your Obama derangement syndrome)
Personally, I didn't know this. Let's work with this though. He's cut taxes and given out stimulus packages. That would be decreasing government income but increasing government spending. Wisdom itself!
It's the standard Keynesian recommendation in times of economic crisis, although many economists would argue that his stimulus measures (both in government spending and in tax reductions) were not targeted in the most effective way to boost the economy, since the money went primarily to the wealthy, whose Keynesian multiplier is very low. In principle, you are supposed to run a budget surplus during economic good times (as Clinton did) in order to finance budget deficits during economic downturns. Republican presidents in the past 30 years, however, have consistently run massive budget deficits regardless of the state of the economy.
But thank you for demonstrating an important point: Republicans will denounce Obama (or any Democrat) as an idiot who is recklessly destroying our economy whether he raises or lowers taxes. It is pure partisanship, utterly devoid of any understanding of the actual issues.
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14 Dec 2010, 8:27 pm
Orwell wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Orwell wrote:
2) You do realize that Obama has, on balance, cut taxes? (A simple yes or no on this one, please. I am interested in seeing the extent of your Obama derangement syndrome)
Personally, I didn't know this. Let's work with this though. He's cut taxes and given out stimulus packages. That would be decreasing government income but increasing government spending. Wisdom itself!
It's the standard Keynesian recommendation in times of economic crisis, although many economists would argue that his stimulus measures (both in government spending and in tax reductions) were not targeted in the most effective way to boost the economy, since the money went primarily to the wealthy, whose Keynesian multiplier is very low. In principle, you are supposed to run a budget surplus during economic good times (as Clinton did) in order to finance budget deficits during economic downturns. Republican presidents in the past 30 years, however, have consistently run massive budget deficits regardless of the state of the economy.
But thank you for demonstrating an important point: Republicans will denounce Obama (or any Democrat) as an idiot who is recklessly destroying our economy whether he raises or lowers taxes. It is pure partisanship, utterly devoid of any understanding of the actual issues.
You're welcome for my pure partisanship. After 8 years of having to hear it about Bush from the democrats, it is the "Democratic" Party who have earned their due measure of blind condemnation and ridicule.
Anyhow, yes it would be better if the stimulus packages weren't given to well established businesses only to be put into the office redecoration account. If a government is going to attempt such a stupid notion as the redistribution of wealth, they ought to at least provide it to people starting up new businesses and not just playing musical money amongst those already wealthy.
14 Dec 2010, 9:25 pm
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