How to cut $100 Billion from Federal Government Spending?

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04 Jan 2011, 10:36 am

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WASHINGTON — The incoming Republican majority in the House is moving to make good on its promise to cut $100 billion from domestic spending this year, a goal eagerly backed by conservatives but one carrying substantial political and economic risks.

House Republican leaders are so far not specifying which programs would bear the brunt of budget cutting, only what would escape it: spending for the military, domestic security and veterans.

The reductions that would be required in the remaining federal programs, including education and transportation, would be so deep — roughly 20 percent on average — that Senate Republicans have not joined the $100 billion pledge that House Republicans, led by the incoming speaker, Representative John A. Boehner, made to voters before November’s midterm elections.

Even if adopted by the House, the Republicans’ budget is unlikely to be enacted in anything like the scale they envision, since Democrats retain a majority in the Senate and President Obama could veto annual appropriations bills making the reductions.

But the effort is more than symbolic: in particular it could give House Republicans increased leverage in budget negotiations with the White House this winter and spring, when the administration must get Congress to raise the federal debt limit or risk a government financing crisis.

The budget-cutting exercise is perhaps the biggest test facing the House Republicans as they seek to remain united and to keep faith with Tea Party members, many of whom remain suspicious of the party’s willingness to vote for deep spending cuts.

But if Republicans vote for the size and range of required cuts in education, law enforcement, medical and scientific research, transportation and much more, it would give Democrats political ammunition to use against them in swing districts.

Such reductions are sure to draw protests from governors and local officials, including Republicans, who are counting on federal money to help balance their budgets. Many business and farm groups likewise would oppose cuts in their subsidies. And many economists would argue that immediate federal spending cuts of this size, especially on top of cuts and layoffs in the cities and states, would threaten the economy’s recovery and offset any stimulus from the tax cut deal Republicans and Mr. Obama reached just weeks ago.

Yet conservative analysts say even more spending cuts are desirable. Brian Riedl of the Heritage Foundation, a conservative research organization, has outlined a plan for $343 billion in reductions, including cuts from corporate tax breaks and entitlement programs that are not in the portion of the federal budget that House Republicans are focusing on, the so-called nonsecurity discretionary spending.

“The difficulty for Republicans is that they’re concentrating their cuts in a small sliver of the budget,” Mr. Riedl said. “They should also be addressing large entitlement programs, such as Medicare and Social Security, which are the main source of our budget problems. Cutting $100 billion from these other programs isn’t just a matter of eliminating waste, fraud and abuse. It will involve real cuts in real programs.”

Other Republicans are skeptical, as well.

“I just don’t know how, when you get down to it, they’re going to get agreement on that,” said G. William Hoagland, who for many years was the Republican staff director of the Senate Budget Committee.

The promise to cut $100 billion this fiscal year — in effect, taking government operations to 2008 levels — would mean cuts of more than 20 percent across the board from the $477 billion that Congress allocated for such programs in the 2010 fiscal year, which ended Sept. 30.

Such across-the-board cuts “would have very damaging implications for the long-term growth of the economy and the long-term future of our work force,” said Jacob J. Lew, Mr. Obama’s budget director. He is preparing the administration’s budget for the 2012 fiscal year, which would continue a three-year freeze of the same domestic spending at 2010 levels.

“If you look in areas like education, if it was applied across the board it would mean eight million students would have their Pell grants reduced by an average of $700,” Mr. Lew said. “You obviously could make policy not to do that, but then you’d have to save a lot of money somewhere else.”

A 20-percent cut also would mean 40,000 fewer teachers and school aides, he said, and big reductions in basic research, law enforcement and small business programs, among many others.

If the Republicans apply their promise literally, some programs would have to be scaled back even more because the government is already well into its fiscal year, so the cuts would have to be concentrated in a shorter period. The reductions would be about 30.6 percent, said James R. Horney, a former Congressional budget analyst who is now at the liberal-leaning Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

“That would require very large layoffs or furloughs of federal employees,” Mr. Horney said, “as well as big reductions in grants to state and local governments and government purchases of goods and services — all of which would offset a good portion of the stimulus achieved in the tax compromise and threaten the recovery.”

In new rules that the House is expected to adopt when it convenes on Wednesday, Republicans will empower the incoming chairman of the House Budget Committee, Representative Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, to set limits for the various categories of domestic spending that are decided in the Appropriations Committee. That is more power than ever invested in a Budget Committee chief and a significant diminution in the appropriation panel’s traditional sway.

Initially, that would allow House Republicans to suggest what general areas the $100 billion would come from without identifying specific cuts.

“The reality of governing is different than the reality of campaigning, and it’s easier to throw out a number than it is to support it,” said David Axelrod, Mr. Obama’s senior strategist.

Looming over the budget fight is the battle over the debt limit. An increase in the debt limit is essential for the government to borrow to meet its obligations, but it is adamantly opposed by the Tea Party movement and other small-government conservatives.

While they complain that lifting the limit enables new spending, mostly it allows the government to cover existing commitments, including trillions of dollars run up when Republicans controlled Congress and the White House from 2001 to 2007.



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04 Jan 2011, 10:37 am

There are two line items in every federal budget-- Fraud and Waste.

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04 Jan 2011, 10:44 am

The largest "defense" budget since WW2 was just passed last week. America is going to start a major war being of corporations and children will get drafted and die for the bourgeoisie. Slaves and cannon fodder.



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04 Jan 2011, 10:45 am

Obviously we can't cut defense spending at all. That would be like asking a teenager to give up his porsche. Military spending is sacred. How are we going to feel proud of ourselves as Americans, and how will the rest of the world respect and admire us, if we don't spend every available dime on the military? Plus, defense contractors donate tons of money to Republican causes.

Obviously, we can't cut agricultural subsidies. How else is the Republican party going to count on votes from farm states? Plus, agribusinesses can use a portion of the subsidies to donate to Republican causes.

We have to have money to give to bankers whenever they want it. Bankers always vote Republican.

The one thing that we absolutely do need to eliminate is expenditures for education. Being at the tail end of the baby boom, I did benefit personally by the government's efforts to send us to college. And, back then, there were actual jobs that college graduates could get. Most of the jobs of the future even Mexicans won't want to have. Plus, with all of our education, we have, in fact, become a nation of dolts. American people really don't deserve to be educated any more. It actually doesn't do them any good, anyway.



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04 Jan 2011, 1:35 pm

Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.



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04 Jan 2011, 2:22 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.


Powers of congress. Art I Sec 8.

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04 Jan 2011, 2:23 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.


Powers of congress. Art I Sec 8.

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Wasn't talking about the powers of congress, though it shows up more specifically there.



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04 Jan 2011, 2:25 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.


No. There is blabberjabber about the general welfare and not a word about the military in the preamble.

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04 Jan 2011, 2:44 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.


No. There is blabberjabber about the general welfare and not a word about the military in the preamble.

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"provide for the common defense"



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04 Jan 2011, 5:28 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Isn't there something in the preamble of United States Constitution which makes military spending a legitimate expense.


No. There is blabberjabber about the general welfare and not a word about the military in the preamble.

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"provide for the common defense"

But there is the question of to what extent. At America's founding, there was very little idea that we would become the preeminent world power. Our military is much more powerful than necessary to simply provide for the common defense, and there is a legitimate debate about whether it is wise to maintain a large military in excess of what we need for basic protective purposes.


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04 Jan 2011, 5:58 pm

Wisdom has absolutely nothing to do with it. We are talking NATIONAL PRIDE!! !



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04 Jan 2011, 6:12 pm

What is the consequence of taking $20bn out of federal spending?

Suppose you cut $20bn in expenditure, and take it out of operations (so that it is an ongoing rather than one-time savings). Suppose, further that you are cutting roughly evening between your salary and O&M budgets.

Well, that $10bn in salaries and benefits. Assuming an average salary of $50,000 and benefits at 20% of salary, that works out to over 160,000 full time job losses. It also works out to $10bn in lost revenue to suppliers, who, in turn, create employment from the goods and services that they sell to government. Without even touching on the cost of sales component of that $10bn, you probably looking at at least $2.5 - $3bn in spin off job losses.

Every billion that you cut from government operations likely results in the loss of 10,000 full-time jobs.

Now, by and large, the federal government of the United States is a funding agency. It provides fiscal transfers to other levels of government, to individuals and to third parties on behalf of individuals. So is the picture any better if we cut $20bn out of transfers? Well, certainly it is more politically palatable since there are no direct jobs tied to transfers--but you do wind up pushing the problem down without actually solving anything.

At root must come an exercise of program review. Every program must answer the question, "Is there a proper role for government in this activity?" and, "Could this program be delivered more effectively through another mode?" Once you know how big your government has to be, then you have to get down to the hard work of financing it. There are a few possible outcomes:

1) Your government (all levels combined) is too small for what you need it to do, and you need to enlarge its capacity to meet citizen's needs, and enlarge its financing accordingly.

2) Your government is appropriate for your needs, but its revenue does not meet its requirements.

3) Your government is too large for your needs, but the revenue will not meet the requirements of the smaller government that you require.

4) Your government is too large for your needs, but the revenue will meet the requirements of the smaller government that you actually require.

5) Your government is too large for your needs, and the revenue exceeds the needs of the government that you require.

Obviously, 5) is the circumstance that you would like to find yourself in--but how likely is that? And even if you do find yourself in that position, how are you going to cope with the job losses resulting from reduction in the scope of government. Every public servant is a consumer, buying food, clothing and energy; investing in retirement savings; paying rent or mortgage. When the money dries up, where does the next job come from?

The time to cut the size of government is when the economy is robust--when the private sector is creating jobs hand over fist, and pension plans are well funded.


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04 Jan 2011, 7:05 pm

Small government,

Gigantic expensive army.


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04 Jan 2011, 7:23 pm

There is nothing wrong with defense spending. The problem is "offense" spending. We have like 700+ military bases in a 120+ countries. We spend like 700 billion dollars+ are year on our military and over 300 billion on foreign aid. That's more than the rest of the world combined. That has nothing to do with defense. That's empire building. We could defend this country with a few nuclear subs honestly. No country on earth is truly a threat to this country and if they were, we could pretty much vaporize them with in hours.

I was hopeful that there could be the political will to start making military cuts during this congress. Rand Paul and Mike Lee in the senate have both came out for it which was absolute blasphemy a few years ago, especially for a Republican to say. Now I dunno, I try to be optimistic but I fear that we're just gearing up for the next big war in Iran or North Korea or even Mexico.(an escalation of our secret wars in Yemen and Pakistan is another possibility)



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04 Jan 2011, 9:05 pm

Jacoby wrote:
There is nothing wrong with defense spending. The problem is "offense" spending. We have like 700+ military bases in a 120+ countries. We spend like 700 billion dollars+ are year on our military and over 300 billion on foreign aid. That's more than the rest of the world combined. That has nothing to do with defense. That's empire building. We could defend this country with a few nuclear subs honestly. No country on earth is truly a threat to this country and if they were, we could pretty much vaporize them with in hours.

I was hopeful that there could be the political will to start making military cuts during this congress. Rand Paul and Mike Lee in the senate have both came out for it which was absolute blasphemy a few years ago, especially for a Republican to say. Now I dunno, I try to be optimistic but I fear that we're just gearing up for the next big war in Iran or North Korea or even Mexico.(an escalation of our secret wars in Yemen and Pakistan is another possibility)


Don't count on it.

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05 Jan 2011, 12:52 am

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