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15 Jan 2011, 1:39 am

misunderstand your motivations and what you have said and insist that their interpretation is correct, and use your responses to validate said interpretation? It's a catch-22.

I'd been doing so well with most people I knew online, I was starting to wonder if I was starting to get the hang of socializing, and now I get this.

Maybe my responses for awkward/unpleasant situations with people I perceive to be friends are flawed. Or my interpretation of those situations is flawed.



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15 Jan 2011, 2:51 am

When this happened to me at work I would start to site all the screws ups they have done in the past or how many times I was right and they were wrong. 8) People hated arguing with me so I would get my way most of the time because I would make sure to argue in front of an audience who would laugh at the things I would say about the person who was arguing with me. :wink:

They would say I could not remember what I did 15 minutes ago but I will remember every mistake you ever made in the nine years I worked with them. :lol:


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15 Jan 2011, 2:56 am

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When this happened to me at work I would start to site all the screws ups they have done in the past or how many times I was right and they were wrong. 8) People hated arguing with me so I would get my way most of the time because I would make sure to argue in front of an audience who would laugh at the things I would say about the person who was arguing with me. :wink:

They would say I could not remember what I did 15 minutes ago but I will remember every mistake you ever made in the nine years I worked with them. :lol:


Haha. This is so not my style, but thanks for the response. It improved my mood, at least. :D

The ironic thing is part of the problem is that they've decided this is my style, even though I've never done it. That apparently apologizing because I thought I gave offense is like attacking them. I do not get it.



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15 Jan 2011, 3:19 am

Verdandi wrote:
misunderstand your motivations and what you have said and insist that their interpretation is correct, and use your responses to validate said interpretation? It's a catch-22.

I'd been doing so well with most people I knew online, I was starting to wonder if I was starting to get the hang of socializing, and now I get this.

Maybe my responses for awkward/unpleasant situations with people I perceive to be friends are flawed. Or my interpretation of those situations is flawed.


I point out that they misunderstand and I highlight how illogical it is to discount explicit information from the source.



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15 Jan 2011, 3:30 am

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I point out that they misunderstand and I highlight how illogical it is to discount explicit information from the source.


This is what is causing the problem. Their perceptions of my actions are more important than and supercede my explanations of my actions. My explanations simply become further evidence of the correctness of their interpretations and proof of "defensiveness."



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15 Jan 2011, 3:45 am

I usually try to re-explain what I was saying in different terms - reframe the context. However, I find that this often still does not work, as it is seen as over explaining...sigh...


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15 Jan 2011, 3:45 am

Verdandi wrote:
Chronos wrote:
I point out that they misunderstand and I highlight how illogical it is to discount explicit information from the source.


This is what is causing the problem. Their perceptions of my actions are more important than and supercede my explanations of my actions. My explanations simply become further evidence of the correctness of their interpretations and proof of "defensiveness."


exactly.


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15 Jan 2011, 3:56 am

I think, going over the conversation I stumbled into along with my direct interactions, that I am inclined to just let things fall by the wayside. I don't like drama, and they seem to be intent upon manufacturing it, mischaracterizing me, and revealing information I shared in confidence.



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15 Jan 2011, 7:08 am

I deal with it by not caring too much. Explaining can lead to even more boring situations. I would say "You are wrong". And that would be all.

It is a relief that I can count on myself and that I know its not my obligation to teach others about other points of views.

If it is really bad, and somebody thinks I intended something cruel etc. I would tell them again what they think and say again that they are wrong and that their point of view is a surprise to me.



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15 Jan 2011, 7:23 am

Maje wrote:
If it is really bad, and somebody thinks I intended something cruel etc. I would tell them again what they think and say again that they are wrong and that their point of view is a surprise to me.


I like this approach.

I hate inaccuracies, especially about myself. I feel like I have to correct them, and I know this can often make things worse.



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15 Jan 2011, 11:31 am

Obviously I don't know the details of the conversation, but you could just apologize and move on.


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15 Jan 2011, 11:33 am

My solution is not to talk to people like that any more than I absolutely must. Trying to change people's thinking is usually a waste of time, and I have better things to do than waste time on futile attempts to enlighten the deliberately ignorant.



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15 Jan 2011, 2:48 pm

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Obviously I don't know the details of the conversation, but you could just apologize and move on.


Apparently, apologizing is part of the problem. It's a sign that I'm "seeking reassurance" and alienating people.

That is, one apology. And by apologizing and trying to explain my actions at a particular moment, I was "making excuses."

I have moved on, though.



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15 Jan 2011, 4:19 pm

My re-explaining something in more detail gets thrown back at me as ranting, but it's still clear to me that they haven't got what I was saying.
Then I'm accused of being defensive as I start getting ratty through frustration at their still not getting it.

Meh. It becomes a lose-lose situation in that the more I say in attempting to show their mistake, the more convinced they become of their "rightness" - irrespective of what I may add, it seems. Apparently just making any type of response fuels their "rightness".
It all usually results in their walking off, tut-tutting about me being argumentative - and me quietly fuming about fixed opinions and a refusal to just listen to me.


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15 Jan 2011, 4:27 pm

Verdandi wrote:
misunderstand your motivations and what you have said and insist that their interpretation is correct, and use your responses to validate said interpretation?


Ignore them.



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15 Jan 2011, 4:38 pm

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My re-explaining something in more detail gets thrown back at me as ranting, but it's still clear to me that they haven't got what I was saying.
Then I'm accused of being defensive as I start getting ratty through frustration at their still not getting it.

Meh. It becomes a lose-lose situation in that the more I say in attempting to show their mistake, the more convinced they become of their "rightness" - irrespective of what I may add, it seems. Apparently just making any type of response fuels their "rightness".
It all usually results in their walking off, tut-tutting about me being argumentative - and me quietly fuming about fixed opinions and a refusal to just listen to me.


This may not be exactly the same, but it seems like it's very close. I have trouble with that too. I hate being misrepresented and mischaracterized, I hate inaccuracies in general, but trying to clarify them is always taken badly. But not clarifying leaves the inaccuracies in place.

This is one of those social issues I have never figured out.