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31 Jan 2011, 2:07 pm

You are still blaming Soros for that? What's wrong with you? It's not just AS.



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31 Jan 2011, 2:11 pm

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You are still blaming Soros for that? What's wrong with you? It's not just AS.


It's called doing my own research, and it happens to corroborate what Glenn Beck said, I'm not going to be dishonest and try to be popular on this web board (or any other for that matter) when I know the facts contradict the what the PC opinion is, I'm going to point that out and I will not back down.

If liberal progressives don't like that, tough.



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31 Jan 2011, 6:03 pm

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I would say you're just in denial, you want to accuse Glenn Beck of being all kinds of things using sources that have already been completely discredited (by the fact they have been caught deliberately taking things out of context in an attempt to smear Beck. I have posted up one such example already, I'm not sure if I posted up the link in this topic thread or another one the point remains that your sources are discredited.

Further you demand we give Soros the benefit of the doubt when in his own words he admits to collaborating with the Nazis and feels no guilt about it. I am not referring to the 14 year old boy whom had to do things to protect his family, I'm referring to the 80+ year old man that feels no remorse or guilt for what he participated in. That is what I have a problem with.


Soros admits no such thing.

He admits being assigned the delivery of deportation notices sent out by the Judenrat, and seeking his father's advice, and his father's instructions to protect the subjects of those notices. He admits accompanying his guardian during the removal of assets from a deported family's home. These are not crimes of a collaborator, and the guilt that should attach to them is nil.

It is the leaders of the Jewish community who formed the Judenrat who have guilt to answer for. It is the kapos in the camps. It is many, many other collaborators. But to expect a man to express remorse for his actions as a 13 year old when he did no wrong (so far as we can know) is to pervert the truth.


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31 Jan 2011, 7:45 pm

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Did you even bother to read what I posted or read the transcripts?


THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE 14 YEAR OLD BOY, IT IS ABOUT THE MAN DECADES LATER SAYING IT WAS THE HAPPIEST YEAR OF HIS LIFE! Do I need to enlarge the font size too so you read it?

Glenn Beck isn't bashing Soros over when he was a 14 year old protecting his family. He is talking about Soros saying it was the happiest year of his life.



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31 Jan 2011, 10:19 pm

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If Soros did what he did to protect his family, that's one thing and he shouldn't be held responsible for being put in that situation. For him to say it was the happiest time of his life and have no remorse over it decades later is what I have a problem with.

Here we go. What you are saying here is a disgusting distortion. Do you even realize it? Or are you just too goddamned thick headed and blindly biased?! !!


Sure whatever, I'm not the one here that messaged someone about wanting to beat them with a shovel. Is Rahm 'deadfish' Emanuel your idol or something?

If you want to see who is blindly biased, try looking in a mirror, because quite frankly I may be partisan, but I'm nowhere near as partisan as you are acting.

You are lying when you claim that George Soros ever wrote or implied that "collaborating with the Nazi's was the happiest time of my life". He was referring to the entire year of his life, not one specific incident where he was forced by his Christian protector to help clear belongings from the residence of a Jewish family who had fled the country. You and Beck purposely word things in a way that can be interpreted to make the words of George Soros look more sinister than they really were. That is deceitful. You are being a sneaky schmuck, just like all partisan creeps on the right are. I suppose you're just going to play dumb and pretend you didn't know you were trying to decieve people, right?


I would say you're just in denial, you want to accuse Glenn Beck of being all kinds of things using sources that have already been completely discredited (by the fact they have been caught deliberately taking things out of context in an attempt to smear Beck. I have posted up one such example already, I'm not sure if I posted up the link in this topic thread or another one the point remains that your sources are discredited.

Further you demand we give Soros the benefit of the doubt when in his own words he admits to collaborating with the Nazis and feels no guilt about it. I am not referring to the 14 year old boy whom had to do things to protect his family, I'm referring to the 80+ year old man that feels no remorse or guilt for what he participated in. That is what I have a problem with.

I would say you're just in denial, you want to accuse George Soros of being all kinds of things using sources that have already been completely discredited (by the fact they have been caught deliberately taking things out of context in an attempt to smear George Soros.

I know you are but what am I? :lol:

You know what. From now on that's all I'm going to say when responding to you. That's how meaningless arguing with a person totally bereft of logic or critical thinking is.



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31 Jan 2011, 10:26 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
simon_says wrote:
You are still blaming Soros for that? What's wrong with you? It's not just AS.


It's called doing my own research, and it happens to corroborate what Glenn Beck said, I'm not going to be dishonest and try to be popular on this web board (or any other for that matter) when I know the facts contradict the what the PC opinion is, I'm going to point that out and I will not back down.

If liberal progressives don't like that, tough.

I'd like to know what constitutes "research" to you. I mean it's obvious to everyone with an IQ above that of a toaster that you find all your "facts" (caugh) through links from right-wing web sources. This is obvious because you're interpretation of an issue never deviates from that of Sean Hannity or Glenn Beck by more than a millimeter. You'd think if you were actually thinking for yourself you'd come to a different conclusion every once in a while.



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01 Feb 2011, 11:55 am

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@ visagrunt

Did you even bother to read what I posted or read the transcripts?


THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE 14 YEAR OLD BOY, IT IS ABOUT THE MAN DECADES LATER SAYING IT WAS THE HAPPIEST YEAR OF HIS LIFE! Do I need to enlarge the font size too so you read it?

Glenn Beck isn't bashing Soros over when he was a 14 year old protecting his family. He is talking about Soros saying it was the happiest year of his life.


Well let's read precisely what you posted:

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in his own words he admits to collaborating with the Nazis and feels no guilt about it.


How is your allegation of his admission of collaboration not about the 14 year old boy? And if the 14 year old boy did no wrong, then where is the wrongdoing in recalling his early adolescence as the happy?

Many people who lived through World War II are lucky enough to have happy memories from that period. I have family who lived in the Nazi occupied Channel Islands, and despite the hardships, they have some fond memories. My childhood friends' parents included a woman who was part of the Polish resistance, three who were children in Nazi Germany, and numerous others who lived in various parts of Europe. It was a difficult time for all, but for many it was not a period of unrelieved torment. Why should Mr. Soros be any different?


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01 Feb 2011, 1:46 pm

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Many people who lived through World War II are lucky enough to have happy memories from that period. I have family who lived in the Nazi occupied Channel Islands, and despite the hardships, they have some fond memories. My childhood friends' parents included a woman who was part of the Polish resistance, three who were children in Nazi Germany, and numerous others who lived in various parts of Europe. It was a difficult time for all, but for many it was not a period of unrelieved torment. Why should Mr. Soros be any different?


Differences between them and Soros.

1. Children in Nazi Germany (I know that boys for sure not sure about girls) were required to join the Hitler Youth movement.

2. The lady in the Polish Resistence should be honored, what the heck does she have to feel guilty over standing up to evil.

3. Soros isn't talking about meeting new friends, meeting future wives or husbands, etc. He is talking about working for the Nazis and not feeling at least some remorse over it.

I'm not saying the man should be thrown into prison or anything like that, I'm just concerned like Beck is that he doesn't feel any guilt, remorse, etc. for doing the Nazis' dirty work.

If Soros had said something to the effect that afterwards he felt used and sickened when he found out what the Nazis had done (at the end of WW II), and decided that he would do what he could to make sure monsters like Hitler never came to exist again and to tear apart any government founded on oppressing its people, then quite frankly Beck wouldn't have a problem with him on that front at all. Beck would be saying he's going after the wrong country and should be making life a living hell for the Iranian Government for instance. Beck would actually be calling Soros' goals laudible, if he even brought up what Soros did when he was 14 at all.



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01 Feb 2011, 3:17 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Differences between them and Soros.

1. Children in Nazi Germany (I know that boys for sure not sure about girls) were required to join the Hitler Youth movement.


Were Jewish children in occupied territories under any less compulsion when it came to supporting the Judenraten?

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2. The lady in the Polish Resistence should be honored, what the heck does she have to feel guilty over standing up to evil.


Ah, but I am not taking about guilt, I am talking about happiness.

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3. Soros isn't talking about meeting new friends, meeting future wives or husbands, etc. He is talking about working for the Nazis and not feeling at least some remorse over it.


Where does he say that? He says it was a happy time of his life--but that is not the same thing as feeling no remorse for working for the Judenrat. You have established a logical equivalency where so such equivalency exists.

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I'm not saying the man should be thrown into prison or anything like that, I'm just concerned like Beck is that he doesn't feel any guilt, remorse, etc. for doing the Nazis' dirty work.


What dirty work did he do for the Nazis? Name something--anything. Then we can evaluate whether an expression of remorse is warranted. Beck's (and hence your) entire posture is built on the notion that he has something for which he should feel remorse, yet never is this demonstrated. It is taken as an article of faith that he was, "working for the Nazis," but no proof is ever offerred.

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If Soros had said something to the effect that afterwards he felt used and sickened when he found out what the Nazis had done (at the end of WW II), and decided that he would do what he could to make sure monsters like Hitler never came to exist again and to tear apart any government founded on oppressing its people, then quite frankly Beck wouldn't have a problem with him on that front at all. Beck would be saying he's going after the wrong country and should be making life a living hell for the Iranian Government for instance. Beck would actually be calling Soros' goals laudible, if he even brought up what Soros did when he was 14 at all.


Speculation. I do not for a moment believe that Beck would change his tune by a single note. But that is neither here nor there. The issue in question is the here and now, with the facts as we know them to be.

Beck is projecting guilt upon a man to whom there is no evidence that guilt ought properly to accrue. If he can discharge that burden, then we can have a meaningful discussion about remorse.


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01 Feb 2011, 3:30 pm

@ visagrunt

Apparently Soros doesn't feel any guilt about it either, if you bothered to read through the transcript.



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26 Jun 2011, 2:14 pm

We have acquitted the man. Remorse is moot.



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27 Jun 2011, 11:30 am

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We have acquitted the man. Remorse is moot.


Seriously you transparent farce of a court is not a court. You are probably not a Judge (if you are you are probably on the 9th Circuit which is the most overturned court circuit in the country).

Fact of the matter is George Soros did collaborate with the Nazis, he admitted it in his own words, your claim that he didn't is quite frankly dishonest. He was a child at the time so we can say he was being used, that said he has no remorse over it decades later and you don't find it troubling?!??! The fact you don't recognize the fact that is disturbing to say the least kinda shows that you are probably not a judge, nor do you have a clue what you are talking about.



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27 Jun 2011, 12:00 pm

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We have acquitted the man. Remorse is moot.


Seriously you transparent farce of a court is not a court. You are probably not a Judge (if you are you are probably on the 9th Circuit which is the most overturned court circuit in the country).

Only because of the weenies on the Supreme Court.

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Fact of the matter is George Soros did collaborate with the Nazis, he admitted it in his own words, your claim that he didn't is quite frankly dishonest.

He was acquitted.

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He was a child at the time so we can say he was being used, that said he has no remorse over it decades later and you don't find it troubling?!??!

Why should I find it "troubling?" He was acquitted. Remorse is moot.

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The fact you don't recognize the fact that is disturbing to say the least kinda shows that you are probably not a judge, nor do you have a clue what you are talking about.

Recognize what "fact?" We considered fully all of the facts presented.



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27 Jun 2011, 12:09 pm

pandabear wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
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We have acquitted the man. Remorse is moot.


Seriously you transparent farce of a court is not a court. You are probably not a Judge (if you are you are probably on the 9th Circuit which is the most overturned court circuit in the country).

Only because of the weenies on the Supreme Court.


Actually it is probably cause the majority of the US Supreme Court isn't a bunch of mental cases that thinks they can change the Constitution on a whim.

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Fact of the matter is George Soros did collaborate with the Nazis, he admitted it in his own words, your claim that he didn't is quite frankly dishonest.

He was acquitted.


He was supposedly acquitted by a fraud, you seem to think you are judge and jury and you can force a prosecutor to try someone when they aren't even arrested. You seem to think it is okay to preach politics from the bench and force people to believe what you want the to believe. You aren't a judge, or at least not an ethical judge.

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He was a child at the time so we can say he was being used, that said he has no remorse over it decades later and you don't find it troubling?!??!

Why should I find it "troubling?" He was acquitted. Remorse is moot.


The fact he doesn't is troubling because it indicates he lacks feelings for others, or he is plain sadistic, does that break it down for you.

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The fact you don't recognize the fact that is disturbing to say the least kinda shows that you are probably not a judge, nor do you have a clue what you are talking about.

Recognize what "fact?" We considered fully all of the facts presented.


Riiiggghhhhttt... Except for the fact Soros publicly admitted he helped them and considered it one of the most enjoyable years of his life, he enjoyed it, that should give one pause right there.



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27 Jun 2011, 12:32 pm

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Actually it is probably cause the majority of the US Supreme Court isn't a bunch of mental cases that thinks they can change the Constitution on a whim.

Nah. They're just a bunch of weenies.

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He was supposedly acquitted by a fraud, you seem to think you are judge and jury and you can force a prosecutor to try someone when they aren't even arrested. You seem to think it is okay to preach politics from the bench and force people to believe what you want the to believe. You aren't a judge, or at least not an ethical judge.

There was no fraud involved. The case was held to a very high ethical standard. You're just a sore loser.

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The fact he doesn't is troubling because it indicates he lacks feelings for others, or he is plain sadistic, does that break it down for you.

Or, maybe he just isn't a bleeding heart liberal. How other people deal with having lived through the holocaust doesn't affect me. I don't judge them, and you shouldn't, either. If it "indicates" to you that he lacks feeling for others, that is just your interpretation. You have no proof that he lacks feelings for others. Nor did he do anything sadistic. He had concealed his Jewish identity by pretending to be a Christian. If he had gone out of his way to denounce other Jews who were similarly hiding, then, yes, that would be sadistic and would constitute collaboration. But, he did none of that.

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Riiiggghhhhttt... Except for the fact Soros publicly admitted he helped them and considered it one of the most enjoyable years of his life, he enjoyed it, that should give one pause right there.

He did what he had to do to get through the holocaust. I don't see any point in obsessing over what he might have said about it.



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27 Jun 2011, 12:43 pm

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Actually it is probably cause the majority of the US Supreme Court isn't a bunch of mental cases that thinks they can change the Constitution on a whim.

Nah. They're just a bunch of weenies.


The fact they refuse to give into the Leftist attempts to trample on the Constitution in spite of death threats isn't a sign of being weak.

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He was supposedly acquitted by a fraud, you seem to think you are judge and jury and you can force a prosecutor to try someone when they aren't even arrested. You seem to think it is okay to preach politics from the bench and force people to believe what you want the to believe. You aren't a judge, or at least not an ethical judge.

There was no fraud involved. The case was held to a very high ethical standard. You're just a sore loser.


Yeah it was, if you were a Judge you can't force a prosecutor to try a case before a suspect is even arrested yet, furthermore the man admitted to being a collaborator and said he enjoyed it.

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The fact he doesn't is troubling because it indicates he lacks feelings for others, or he is plain sadistic, does that break it down for you.

Or, maybe he just isn't a bleeding heart liberal. How other people deal with having lived through the holocaust doesn't affect me. I don't judge them, and you shouldn't, either. If it "indicates" to you that he lacks feeling for others, that is just your interpretation. You have no proof that he lacks feelings for others. Nor did he do anything sadistic. He had concealed his Jewish identity by pretending to be a Christian. If he had gone out of his way to denounce other Jews who were similarly hiding, then, yes, that would be sadistic and would constitute collaboration. But, he did none of that.


The fact he doesn't feel bad about it years later, that is kind of disturbing. Also I've found liberals only have compassion for people when it benefits themselves.

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Riiiggghhhhttt... Except for the fact Soros publicly admitted he helped them and considered it one of the most enjoyable years of his life, he enjoyed it, that should give one pause right there.

He did what he had to do to get through the holocaust. I don't see any point in obsessing over what he might have said about it.


It looks more like he doesn't care, the fact he doesn't have remorse is as though he dehumanized the people he helped send to Concentration Camps (probably explains his attacks on Israel as well).