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06 Feb 2011, 9:32 pm

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No. That is pure speculation. For example, The inventor of the polio vaccine did not patent his invention. Most inventors invent because they want to. not because they want to make money. People who want to make money get bored too easily and go play with stocks. The real developers and inventors invent because they want too. They only way people will stop inventing is if society does not give back to them. Society can give back in a capitalist way by selling or a socialist way by giving room board and food.


I am not claiming monetary rewards are the only rewards. For some love, admiration, respect and such like pay the freight. What I do claim is that the most creative and brilliant among us do their thing out of an egotistic impulse. They do it because it enhances their own value in their own eyes. Cases in point:
Galileo (The Wrangler) wanted recognition on his terms. Newton (a neurotic) would not publish some of his works because he felt he was being slighted. I can go on like this all day.

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06 Feb 2011, 9:50 pm

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This is why some people protest against intellectual property. Especially when it could be used to save lives, but instead is used for profit. I am a lefty so this gets me going.


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If there is no gain to inventing things, then fewer things will be invented. Is that what you want?

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I am sorry, when you originally asked me that I wanted no gain from doing things. I thought you meant monetary things. Because I was clearly unaware that I had said that love admiration and respect would be lost in my original post.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:02 pm

Well if we lived in a society what endorsed a resourced based economy, and we had a good quality of life for everyone, the best minds are still more than able and willing to come forward and research new technologies.

this also stops people getting sucked up into money driven motives.

good inventions do get created as a result of money, because a company wishes to fund research of something useful to society.

The same can be achieved and is likely to be ahcieved better if the idea was founded solely on the interests of what we actually need and not designed on what would be profitable to sell. when money as profit gets thrown in it sadly can create fraudulent or biased science.

money is not the enemy but it sure holds us back from our full potential in my opinion.


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06 Feb 2011, 10:17 pm

When I grow up, I am still a teenager, I want to work in research and development. I want to experiment, learn, and create ideas which help human kind.
More specifically Biology. Probably something to do with the brain but I have no idea which precise field. But in our system, and especially with the privatization going on, I will not be able to conduct my work by myself. And if the company does not agree with what I want to research. Then I may not be able to create at all. I will be forced to create what they want. I cannot do that very well. I am an individual with individual goals.

^blah blah words.
PatrickNeville I am watching these videos. This man is very intelligent and has very progressive thinking styles.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:21 pm

He is most definitely an intelligent quy.

Jacque Fresco and Peter Joseph both are. I learnt a lot from them.


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06 Feb 2011, 10:49 pm

I am taking a class in high school called Social Justice. It is a relatively new course at our school. We are the first year being taught. A combination of this and my own curiosity has taken me to want to learn more about political/social issues.
I have a friend who talks a lot about people who are actively involved in social justice such as Noam Chomsky and Naomi Klein. In fact I am reading the Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein right now. (it is shocking.)

I do not believe that anyone I have talked to so far knows about these ideas. I will tell them about these ideas.



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06 Feb 2011, 10:54 pm

Spread them far and wide :)

Are you on facebook? It is an easy way of sharing info.


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06 Feb 2011, 11:00 pm

I am indeed on facebook. And I am already guilty of postings which make people think.



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06 Feb 2011, 11:01 pm

I get told the same sometimes.

Here add me; http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=628345152


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07 Feb 2011, 5:28 am

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money is not the enemy but it sure holds us back from our full potential in my opinion.


Without money and credit, trade and production would become very sparse and highly inadequate to fulfill our wants and needs. Once a society gets beyond bartering smoked fish for nuts, berries and spear points, some kind of universally acceptable trade good is require. That is money. Without money, there would be little production and trade. Life would soon become nasty, brutish and short to quote Hobbes.

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07 Feb 2011, 2:13 pm

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PatrickNeville wrote:

money is not the enemy but it sure holds us back from our full potential in my opinion.


Without money and credit, trade and production would become very sparse and highly inadequate to fulfill our wants and needs. Once a society gets beyond bartering smoked fish for nuts, berries and spear points, some kind of universally acceptable trade good is require. That is money. Without money, there would be little production and trade. Life would soon become nasty, brutish and short to quote Hobbes.

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Look through the post on page 2 down at the bottom, check the info out there and you might gain a better idea of why i believe that it is unneeded and it is holding us back.


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07 Feb 2011, 2:26 pm

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Look through the post on page 2 down at the bottom, check the info out there and you might gain a better idea of why i believe that it is unneeded and it is holding us back.


You are wrong. Money has been used to promote trade for over 10,000 years. There must be some use to it. No moneyless society above the most primitive level has ever operated successfully.

In any case, without money, no industry. Period. Full Stop.

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07 Feb 2011, 4:38 pm

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PatrickNeville wrote:

Look through the post on page 2 down at the bottom, check the info out there and you might gain a better idea of why i believe that it is unneeded and it is holding us back.


You are wrong. Money has been used to promote trade for over 10,000 years. There must be some use to it. No moneyless society above the most primitive level has ever operated successfully.

In any case, without money, no industry. Period. Full Stop.

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I am well aware it has been used to promote trade, but we are now at a stage where we can effectively go beyond it.

"No moneyless society above the most primitive level has ever operated successfully."

That was in the past I am afraid. We have the technology to be able to provide a good quality of living to everyone regardless of money.


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07 Feb 2011, 5:06 pm

None of this change is going to come about over night of course but it is a long term goal.

It is extremely narrow-minded to believe we actually need to rely on money for a functioning society.

It has helped us get so far but we don't really need it any more if we take a more technical approach towards our goals.

This video sums up my views in less than 9 minutes.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5P3rJ55UB8[/youtube]


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07 Feb 2011, 5:10 pm

Considering the inherent value of money is now created through vast documentation in legalese and jargonese and perpetuated through the self-perpetuating professions of economics and law... I think in the future a moneyless society can exist. Money is not what makes the world go round, but rather, incentives. Right now the best incentive is money because that is what we need to survive and that is what our quasi-religious economic system uses as a means of exchange. Primitive societies probably cannot see past this, but I don't think our future will be primitive


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07 Feb 2011, 5:23 pm

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Considering the inherent value of money is now created through vast documentation in legalese and jargonese and perpetuated through the self-perpetuating professions of economics and law... I think in the future a moneyless society can exist. Money is not what makes the world go round, but rather, incentives. Right now the best incentive is money because that is what we need to survive and that is what our quasi-religious economic system uses as a means of exchange. Primitive societies probably cannot see past this, but I don't think our future will be primitive


Thank you for wording what I believe really well. :heart:

In the future insensitives may just be to help each other and make sure that our environment is sustainable.

With a higher standard of living also, I see crime being greatly reduced too.


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