Should persons with Asperger's consume Cannabis?

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Should persons with Asperger's consume Cannabis?
Yes. Make is legal for everyone. 66%  66%  [ 104 ]
Yes. If you obtain a prescription from a doctor. 13%  13%  [ 20 ]
No. It should be illegal for everyone. 8%  8%  [ 12 ]
No. But make it legal for people with terminal cancer and similar conditions. 13%  13%  [ 21 ]
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16 Nov 2011, 1:16 am

Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


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26 Dec 2011, 6:43 pm

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I am not anti-medical marijuana, BUT...

It can be dangerous to smoke it, if you have a genetic predisposition to schizophrenia. I know that there are studies indicating that autism and schizophrenia are two sides of the same genetic coin, and I know that some people with AS do go on to develop schizophrenia later in life.

It may not be very likely, but I would be cautious.


This seems to be the undead vampire of anti-cannabis propaganda! Most people are confused about this one.

1) There is a correlation between cannabis usage and psychosis / schizophrenia.
2) Correlation does not imply cause.
3) Well designed studies which compare diagnosis rates across populations where cannabis use is known to have increased dramatically have only ever shown no change or a drop in diagnosis rates.
4) Which would imply that people are self-medicating.
5) THC can be administered in high doses to produce 'psychotic symptoms' which are temporary.
6) CBD can be administered in high doses to neutralise 'THC psychosis'.
7) Psychiatric professionals recommend that the users themselves are best placed to judge whether or not to continue use of cannabis when experiencing symptoms.
8) There are many well documented cases of psychosis occurring as a result of abrupt cannabis use cessation. Enforced cessation can cause psychosis and medical professionals are well aware of this.

FACT: Cannabis does not cause schizophrenia

I will be happy to dig out the links to all the research for this stuff if anyone really needs to see it but it's all on the facebook page anyway.


No, lol. i don't need links.

I don't follow this stuff closely but I did a lot of digging around in the past, and for *me* personally, the studies are frightening.

My dad is schizophrenic, as well as my aunt. I don't have an agenda and really don't care what anyone else does to their own well-being, but for me, I would be cautious. I've smoked a ton of the stuff in the past, and done a lot of psychedelic drugs. I can tell you that some of those drugs have definitely had lasting effects.


What I remember from reading about schizophrenia and cannabis, and seeing a documentary from the UK about Cannabis (In a series from BBC, probably easy to google), you can have schizophrenia in your genes, and lying in the dark inside you waiting to pop out. Sometimes, cannabis can help to make the schizophrenia visible in the being. Maybe they could have gone all their life without ever noticing their disease, but cannabis can cause you to start noticing it.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, I'm not the best person around, in english.



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26 Dec 2011, 6:46 pm

Todesking wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


This is true, however as Angel_ryan stated he thinks that marijuana is laced with other drugs, this would make no sense at all. For one, other drugs cost more than cannabis. 2ndly there are way easier measurements to add weight, such as glass, sugar and other things that are way cheaper.

Just to clarify for someone else reading, it would be retarded to lace it with more expensive drugs than the cannabis itself.



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26 Dec 2011, 7:38 pm

I don't think it's necessarily a good thing for aspies to consume open-ended quantities of marijuana out of boredom and for no particular reason, because it's pretty well established that chronic, daily consumption of large quantities does bad things to motivation, short-term memory, ability to learn, and one's general ability to earn a living and/or succeed in life.

HOWEVER...

In moderation, and particularly as an adjunct to facilitate learning how to pretend to be social, it can be invaluable. When I started college, and for most of my first two years, I was a stubborn, hardcore, die-hard self-righteous aspie nerd who was totally off the "geek" scale. Then, somehow, a miracle occurred, and I managed to become involved with Greek (as in, fraternities) social life, and one guy in particular made teaching me how to be social his personal project. Without assistance from pot, he never would have made it to first base, let alone gotten me to let down my guard and chill enough to listen to him and take him seriously.

I'll be the first to admit there's a slippery gray line between therapeutic and recreational use, and I'm not going to act righteous and pretend that probably 40-60% of my collegiate pot use wasn't 'recreational' in nature or had higher motives at the time. Really, though, pot in the abstract never really did much for me. It served its purpose, and served it well, but the fun factor just isn't high enough to risk losing my drug-tested job over it now. If it were unambiguously legal (or I went to Amsterdam for a few days), I'd probably try it again, but I can't really imagine going out of my way to get it, or spending large amounts of money and/or risking arrest over its acquisition. It was fun, but it wasn't that fun.

Actually, thinking back, I still remember the first time I smoked pot -- I spent almost an hour watching the minute hand on a wall clock move. In complete fascination. ;-)

That said, I think pot should be unambiguously legal, and regulated no more tightly than alcohol.


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26 Dec 2011, 7:50 pm

Puppygnu wrote:
This poll is a tribute to the great thread, "Cannabis as medication for Asperger?"

I personally feel that smoking pot is not a healthy choice for most people. I would prefer that people see a psychiatrist for legal medications. However, for some chronic conditions, pot seems to help. I voted against the legalization of medical marijuana in the state of Arizona because I believe that the state legislature should make this type of decision.

NO because NT's get really stupid on it and Aspies would probably be slightly worse.



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26 Dec 2011, 9:50 pm

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when i was younger i had some scary experiences with high quality pot.hallucinagenic and quite scary.the lower grade stuff relaxed me but i would never use any pot again.people think pot is a deppessiant,its actualy a mild halucinagin and for people with strong sensory perception it can lead to a scary bad trip experience

I relate to this.


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27 Dec 2011, 9:03 am

Why can't we just f##king legalize it and act like mature adults... *Facepalms*



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27 Dec 2011, 9:36 am

cider123 wrote:
Todesking wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


This is true, however as Angel_ryan stated he thinks that marijuana is laced with other drugs, this would make no sense at all. For one, other drugs cost more than cannabis. 2ndly there are way easier measurements to add weight, such as glass, sugar and other things that are way cheaper.

Just to clarify for someone else reading, it would be retarded to lace it with more expensive drugs than the cannabis itself.


Yeah that is a good point, not to mention I've never gotten anything laced I have heard of rare cases of this happening, but its not as common as people seem to think considering most drugs are more expensive than cannabis.


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27 Dec 2011, 9:37 am

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Why can't we just f##king legalize it and act like mature adults... *Facepalms*


No certainly not because then people might want even more personal freedom, than just the personal freedom to smoke cannabis if they choose to.


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27 Dec 2011, 10:19 am

cider123 wrote:
Todesking wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


This is true, however as Angel_ryan stated he thinks that marijuana is laced with other drugs, this would make no sense at all. For one, other drugs cost more than cannabis. 2ndly there are way easier measurements to add weight, such as glass, sugar and other things that are way cheaper.

Just to clarify for someone else reading, it would be retarded to lace it with more expensive drugs than the cannabis itself.

If a drug dealer added cocaine to his cannabis, he'd increase the chances of his "clients" becoming addicted, and he might even be able to move them on to pure cocaine. It wouldn't be the best way to add weight but it might be good for business.



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27 Dec 2011, 10:26 am

The_Walrus wrote:
cider123 wrote:
Todesking wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


This is true, however as Angel_ryan stated he thinks that marijuana is laced with other drugs, this would make no sense at all. For one, other drugs cost more than cannabis. 2ndly there are way easier measurements to add weight, such as glass, sugar and other things that are way cheaper.

Just to clarify for someone else reading, it would be retarded to lace it with more expensive drugs than the cannabis itself.

If a drug dealer added cocaine to his cannabis, he'd increase the chances of his "clients" becoming addicted, and he might even be able to move them on to pure cocaine. It wouldn't be the best way to add weight but it might be good for business.


Any drug dealer that does that is an as*hole.....for two reasons, 1st its not cool to drug people without their knowledge, and secondly for expecting the majority of cannabis users to fall for such a stunt. Kinda hard to sneak cocaine into cannabis without the user knowing, it might work on people new to smoking but after a while most cannabis users pretty much know what cannabis does to them and would certainly notice if there was cocaine in it.


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06 Jan 2012, 11:26 am

I smoke it all the while, if it wasnt for cannabis i would have been dead years ago, it keeps me going in this intolerable world.

A lot of people ask me why i smoke it so much and i say perhaps if you have had to deal with the kind of s**t i have had to in life then you would probably be doing the same. Im actually in the process of rolling a good one at the moment. This type is called 'powerplant' and it is high-grade.



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06 Jan 2012, 11:34 am

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
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The question is, do we really need an excuse for more smoke in the air?


The economy will benefit from their legalistion, so that's something. Plus people who want this stuff will get it from legit, regulated sources.

I understand you probably don't mind the smoke, but what about those of us who have bad reactions to it? If that stuff gets legalized, the smell of the smoke will be everywhere and it really stinks. It makes me ill smelling it, so why should I have to be exposed to it all the time. I hardly ever smell it now because it's illegal and my state is really strict. I hope it stays that way.
Those of us who hate the smell of the smoke should have a say in this, not just the potheads.


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06 Jan 2012, 12:04 pm

The_Walrus wrote:
cider123 wrote:
Todesking wrote:
Angel_ryan wrote:
It should be legalized that way it'll be safer, and not laced with other drugs.


Sometimes the mexican cartels add stuff to the marijuana to add weight to it. They ought to let people grow their own to cut the cartels and dealers prices. If everyone can grow it no one would really be buying from guy they don't know or have to go into the hood to score. Every plant that is grown at home is money out of some drug lord's pocket.


This is true, however as Angel_ryan stated he thinks that marijuana is laced with other drugs, this would make no sense at all. For one, other drugs cost more than cannabis. 2ndly there are way easier measurements to add weight, such as glass, sugar and other things that are way cheaper.

Just to clarify for someone else reading, it would be retarded to lace it with more expensive drugs than the cannabis itself.

If a drug dealer added cocaine to his cannabis, he'd increase the chances of his "clients" becoming addicted, and he might even be able to move them on to pure cocaine. It wouldn't be the best way to add weight but it might be good for business.



It doesnt make financial sense for a drug dealer to add a much more expensive drug to cannabis, it just wouldnt happen.

I find that cannabis makes me horribly paranoid if I smoke too much or too regularly. Im not sure if this is to do with the drug itself or the fact that I know Im doing something illegal and worrying about the consequences if I were to be found out though. It also seems to make me really lazy and apathetic.

It also tend to make my aspie traits a bit more pronounced rather than helping them at all, stuff like eye contact and cognitive quickness, so I dont see how it could be considered a treatment for autism. I guess everyone reacts differently to it though.

I still smoke it occasionally though as it makes playing guitar/photography/anything creative just a lot more fun and engaging.



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06 Jan 2012, 3:07 pm

supernewf709 wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
Asp-Z wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
The question is, do we really need an excuse for more smoke in the air?


The economy will benefit from their legalistion, so that's something. Plus people who want this stuff will get it from legit, regulated sources.

I understand you probably don't mind the smoke, but what about those of us who have bad reactions to it? If that stuff gets legalized, the smell of the smoke will be everywhere and it really stinks. It makes me ill smelling it, so why should I have to be exposed to it all the time. I hardly ever smell it now because it's illegal and my state is really strict. I hope it stays that way.
Those of us who hate the smell of the smoke should have a say in this, not just the potheads.


imbecile.


Well crap they need to ban all the buses, cars, trucks ect in the town I live in because I don't want to be exposed to the scent of exhaust when I'm outside in a city :twisted:


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