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27 Feb 2011, 11:47 am

I'm curious to your thoughts on the Green Party political group. I know they have some attention, but limited role, overseas. Here in the United States they are a minor third party with little success.

However, the more I pay attention to it - the more my political thoughts seem to align with Greens than with Democrats. They don't seem to be the corporate sellouts the Democrats are, and actually hold progressive values while the Democrats push further towards the right following the Republicans fascist swing.

I can already assume Inuyasha's reply now.



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27 Feb 2011, 1:48 pm

Not a fan. They use the "Environment" as an excuse to tax the balls off people.


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27 Feb 2011, 2:16 pm

The Green Party actually makes the far-left Democrats look sane.



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27 Feb 2011, 2:28 pm

Im a member of the UK green party.



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27 Feb 2011, 2:40 pm

I've come to realise that C02 itself is a bit of a political scare tactic, seeing as in the main factors in warming appear to be that our cities and roads absorb the heat easily and that the suns output varies, and is hitting a high period at the moment.

C02, however much it is warming the Earth, only is a problem because we lack the forests which once stood a few 100 years ago to absorb C02. The effects on warming may be negligible, but the excess which enters the Ocean is acidifying the ocean and depleting carbonate, which will stop plankton and coral reefs from developing and will essentially kill most life in the ocean.

I do support the Scottish Green Party though! I've posted leaflets for them door to door before.

They address issues such as replanting forests, funding renewable energy, not allowing construction in areas which would be environmentally damaging and more. Can't remember their policies off the top of my head.


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27 Feb 2011, 2:43 pm

Politics revolves around people, and I think making the environment their main focus in politics is detrimental to that.



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27 Feb 2011, 2:55 pm

They had a candidate here for the first time in the last provincial election. I went to a small event at my college where the candidates made little speeches and answered questions, and the Green candidate seemed pretty intelligent, more so then the populist NDP guy who started his speech with "First of all, I want to say I'm here because I BELIEVE IN THIS COUNTRY" - augh, please
I also liked the Green candidate during the debate a couple of years back, a woman, can't remember her name. I don't think I would ever vote Green though, IMO, there are too many college-know-it-all hippies in that movement, at least in Canada, and they would probably drive our country down. At most I think the Liberals and Conservatives need to learn from the Green Party, I think 'Green' policies should be adapted by Conservatives and Liberals as the environment is probably the most important thing on the planet and businesses need to work with it rather then against it

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Politics revolves around people, and I think making the environment their main focus in politics is detrimental to that.

We are both a product of the environment and the environment :) But I do agree that too much focus is probably not good.


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27 Feb 2011, 2:55 pm

Yes and no.

C02 emissions is a crap focus.

Sustainable energy, especially talk of putting money towards developing it is good in my books.

Targeting issues like sustainable agriculture, eliminating environmental toxins (like ones which kill bees for example) is highly necessary.


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27 Feb 2011, 3:47 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
The Green Party actually makes the far-left Democrats look sane.


The Green Party is, in essence, what people think the Democrats are (or should be depending on how much they actually know).


Electing Democrats isn't functional for what policy changes people want implemented, they'd do better to see actual results electing their Green Party counterparts...but then we get back to the brainwashing of only supporting one of two parties and while there is understandable reticence about voting "third party", it might be easier if people were to understand the functionality better and have more people brave enough to break the pattern and encourage others to break the abusive cycle of simply voting for one of the two puppet parties.


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27 Feb 2011, 4:00 pm

ryan93 wrote:
Not a fan. They use the "Environment" as an excuse to tax the balls off people.


Yep.

Also, they call themselves GREEN, but under their own mission statement in this country, planting trees, the bastion of what is green and pure and carbon abating, is a non-viable carbon abatement measure. According to the green's own words, a mission statement that in 2007 was 290-odd pages long and is now barely 100 for all they've cut out of it, the ONLY way to mitigate so-called CO2 warming is to kill industries. The very industries, ironically for a party all about the socialist collective welfare of 'workers' that employ the most people.

The problem with the greens is that they call themselves green and smile a lot and spout homilies like you wouldn't believe in order to appear cuddly. People see them as a protest vote and then wonder where all this talk of increased taxation and socialism comes from once their elected.

I never thought I would actually say this, but bring back the Australian Democrats. They were at least centrist. Something sadly lacking in the world today.

From a proud conservative, I think that says it all...


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27 Feb 2011, 5:56 pm

I live in one of the few areas of the U.S. where significant portions, sometimes majorities, of the city council are Green-party oriented.



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28 Feb 2011, 8:15 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
The Green Party actually makes the far-left Democrats look sane.


The Green Party is, in essence, what people think the Democrats are (or should be depending on how much they actually know).


Electing Democrats isn't functional for what policy changes people want implemented, they'd do better to see actual results electing their Green Party counterparts...but then we get back to the brainwashing of only supporting one of two parties and while there is understandable reticence about voting "third party", it might be easier if people were to understand the functionality better and have more people brave enough to break the pattern and encourage others to break the abusive cycle of simply voting for one of the two puppet parties.


Since I live in a state which votes overwhelmingly Democrat anyway, I've decided to vote for Green Party candidates simply as a better alternative to what we actually have in charge around here.



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01 Mar 2011, 2:54 am

I don't like their support of affirmative action/hate crime law crap, but otherwise they're better than the democrats at least.



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01 Mar 2011, 3:47 am

Voting for a third party is worthless under a First Past The Post electoral system. You are better off as a registered dem voting for progressives in primaries. Unless you are lucky enough to live in an area where Dems and greens are the two competing candidates. Then by all means register Green and give them your vote.