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01 Mar 2011, 11:00 pm

A man walks into a business establishment, browses, picks out a publication, takes it up to the desk.

He is filled with embarrassment. He can't even look the clerk in the eye. He desperately hopes nobody he knows will see him with this material.

Once the transaction is complete, he sticks the thing in his briefcase and leaves, still watching out for people who might know him. He won't feel safe till he drives away.

So what is this? Pornographic filth? Revolutionary propaganda? Harlequin Romance? How bad could it be?

I went to the library today to pick up a book my wife had ordered. We live in a politically mixed town, half fairly conservative older hicks, half younger liberal overflow from the city. We are exiles, personae non gratae in the city, fitting into neither set.

The book? GWBush's memoir. Even though we do not buy into PC values, the thoughtwaves of public opinion are so strong I can't feel comfortable if people see me with it.

How disgusting is that?



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01 Mar 2011, 11:09 pm

Your shame?

With direct response to GWB's memoirs, I'd hope a little considering that his book was ghostwritten and is more public relations than fact. I could understand it as far as wanting to see the narrative that he and his entourage are looking to create but I wouldn't look to it for much fact. At best, he may believe some things but are a misrepresentation thanks to his minimal involvement in his presidency.


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01 Mar 2011, 11:18 pm

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Your shame?

With direct response to GWB's memoirs, I'd hope a little considering that his book was ghostwritten and is more public relations than fact. I could understand it as far as wanting to see the narrative that he and his entourage are looking to create but I wouldn't look to it for much fact. At best, he may believe some things but are a misrepresentation thanks to his minimal involvement in his presidency.

There is no shame in reading something with which you disagree, or even something which you know to be motivated by spreading a particular agenda/ideology you regard as destructive. I frequently read things that I disagree with. It is important to see how others think.

That said, as a matter of principle I would not spend money on GWB's book, or Palin's, or the book of any other ridiculous hack. If you buy the book, not only are you contributing money to them, but you are contributing to higher sales figures that they will use to claim some sort of legitimacy, since they will assume that anyone who buys their book is a supporter.


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01 Mar 2011, 11:34 pm

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Your shame?

With direct response to GWB's memoirs, I'd hope a little considering that his book was ghostwritten and is more public relations than fact. I could understand it as far as wanting to see the narrative that he and his entourage are looking to create but I wouldn't look to it for much fact. At best, he may believe some things but are a misrepresentation thanks to his minimal involvement in his presidency.

There is no shame in reading something with which you disagree, or even something which you know to be motivated by spreading a particular agenda/ideology you regard as destructive. I frequently read things that I disagree with. It is important to see how others think.

That said, as a matter of principle I would not spend money on GWB's book, or Palin's, or the book of any other ridiculous hack. If you buy the book, not only are you contributing money to them, but you are contributing to higher sales figures that they will use to claim some sort of legitimacy, since they will assume that anyone who buys their book is a supporter.


That is a much more diplomatic way to put it.


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02 Mar 2011, 10:06 am

Library book,. requested by my wife who is more into politics at present, out of curiosity as to content.

Strictly nothing to do with me - and she in fact says she would have had no embarrassment about picking it up.

But I am very sensitive about stirring up vibes. Professionazlly I would write anything, but around the department keep my mouth shut. Don't talk where I am a heretic, don't chime in where I agree. Times I have NOT lain low I have gotten in sore trouble.

Fact is, if people know you are not shipping pizzas to Wisconsin they think you are into Teapartheid.

I do not want either Joe Cool or Maddy Teaparty thinking I am a tea party type. I also do not want them thinking I am among the Anointed. In fact, I would rather they did not think about me or notice me, and I try not to do things like borrowing the Bush book that might GET me noticed.



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02 Mar 2011, 10:09 am

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Strictly nothing to do with me - and she in fact says she would have had no embarrassment about picking it up.

Same thing happens with feminine products at the checkout counter ...

"Hey, what are you going to be doing with that?!"


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02 Mar 2011, 10:13 am

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Strictly nothing to do with me - and she in fact says she would have had no embarrassment about picking it up.

Same thing happens with feminine products at the checkout counter ...

"Hey, what are you going to be doing with that?!"


There, you see? I opted out of that example.

And if you walk through the checkout with Playboy, the Bush book, a can of Spam, a supply of feminine products, AND the National Enquirer - well, I am telling you you ain't me.



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02 Mar 2011, 10:27 am

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leejosepho wrote:
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Strictly nothing to do with me - and she in fact says she would have had no embarrassment about picking it up.

Same thing happens with feminine products at the checkout counter ...

"Hey, what are you going to be doing with that?!"


There, you see? I opted out of that example.

And if you walk through the checkout with Playboy, the Bush book, a can of Spam, a supply of feminine products, AND the National Enquirer - well, I am telling you you ain't me.


I think anyone who still buys Playboy will get more looks because such a person is a bit of a relic...I mean internet porn is way more efficient.


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02 Mar 2011, 10:48 am

Hey, look, mon, in the days from which I date it was Playboy as to a degree Esquire. Hustler was not even a gleam in a flinty eye and as for the internet - that COULD be something used in the cod fisheries.

Anyway, I happen to like Spam.

AND Kraft Dinner.

And the original Reader's Digest - forget today's - had a lot to recommend it.

Go on, despise me.

I will resist despising you back.



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02 Mar 2011, 11:32 am

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And if you walk through the checkout with Playboy, the Bush book, a can of Spam, a supply of feminine products, AND the National Enquirer - well, I am telling you you ain't me.

I used to face the same kind of dilemma while buying a couple of cold ones for a fellow drunk I hoped would thereby remain relatively calm while I drove him the 30-or-so miles to detox for the umpteenth time: "Hey, what is 'Mr. A.A.' doing over there coming out of that liquor store?!"

In case you might have missed this: Ultimately, and since Abba-Father never does, I learned to not give a flying flip about what anybody might happen to mis-think!


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02 Mar 2011, 12:04 pm

Sometimes I can go there. Sometimes my wife can't, though we do not actually take turns.

It is really another case oif the flesh versus spirit. My adrenalin is not housebroken.



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02 Mar 2011, 12:12 pm

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My adrenalin is not housebroken.

Neither is mine, as you might have observed, yet its dominance can be over-ridden ...

"Our very lives ... depend upon our constant thought of others and how we may help meet their needs." (page 20)


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02 Mar 2011, 1:25 pm

Grace is. Grace comes.

I just last night threw this one at a coworker standing in the need of prayer:

One of the Desert Fathers - I love those guys - Abba Sisoes said,"Have confidence. For thirty years I have not prayed to God about my faults, but I have made this prayer to him: 'Lord Jesus, save me from my tongue.' And until now every day I fall because of and commit sin."

Like Paul and the thorn, of course. Here is the guy, 30 years praying for something -- something GOOD - fruitlessly and he uses it to illustrate "have confidence."! !!



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02 Mar 2011, 4:11 pm

Philologos wrote:
A man walks into a business establishment, browses, picks out a publication, takes it up to the desk.

He is filled with embarrassment. He can't even look the clerk in the eye. He desperately hopes nobody he knows will see him with this material.

Once the transaction is complete, he sticks the thing in his briefcase and leaves, still watching out for people who might know him. He won't feel safe till he drives away.

So what is this? Pornographic filth? Revolutionary propaganda? Harlequin Romance? How bad could it be?

I went to the library today to pick up a book my wife had ordered. We live in a politically mixed town, half fairly conservative older hicks, half younger liberal overflow from the city. We are exiles, personae non gratae in the city, fitting into neither set.

The book? GWBush's memoir. Even though we do not buy into PC values, the thoughtwaves of public opinion are so strong I can't feel comfortable if people see me with it.

How disgusting is that?


Why do you care what other people think?

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02 Mar 2011, 4:40 pm

Just wanna throw out there that Shameless is an awesome TV show.


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02 Mar 2011, 4:45 pm

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Your shame?

With direct response to GWB's memoirs, I'd hope a little considering that his book was ghostwritten and is more public relations than fact. I could understand it as far as wanting to see the narrative that he and his entourage are looking to create but I wouldn't look to it for much fact. At best, he may believe some things but are a misrepresentation thanks to his minimal involvement in his presidency.

There is no shame in reading something with which you disagree, or even something which you know to be motivated by spreading a particular agenda/ideology you regard as destructive. I frequently read things that I disagree with. It is important to see how others think.

That said, as a matter of principle I would not spend money on GWB's book, or Palin's, or the book of any other ridiculous hack. If you buy the book, not only are you contributing money to them, but you are contributing to higher sales figures that they will use to claim some sort of legitimacy, since they will assume that anyone who buys their book is a supporter.
Yeah that and there's a bit of truth and BS in everything. I think it's an unnecessary mental block to see something you agree on and then discredit it when you see that this person belongs to "them" rather than "us". I've never agreed or disagreed with someone on this board just because of who they are. I think it's just juvenile to base your ego on how "right" you are rather than being right for the right reasons.

And hell I'd spend money on a book even if I didn't like the person. The fact that I found it truthful enough to buy it means they deserve the profit. I think Donald Trump is a bit of a douche, but I bought "Think Like a Champion" because it goes much more in depth than a typical BS pop psych self-help book.