How NTs view the world vs how Aspies view the world!

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18 Mar 2011, 7:03 pm

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Denver Dave is being an NT like being drunk all the time?


I don't understand why you would ask me that question. First of all, I am not drunk all the time so how would I know? Secondly, my perception is that being drunk makes one dizzy, careless, slow to react, vomit, say regretful things, pass out, and wake up with a headache. Since most people do not act like this all the time, to me the answer to your question is obvious. Is your perception of being drunk any different?



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18 Mar 2011, 7:53 pm

Your taking what i say too litteraly. by that i mean being happy all the time and smelling the roses?



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18 Mar 2011, 8:00 pm

DenvrDave wrote:
Jamesy wrote:
Denver Dave is being an NT like being drunk all the time?


I don't understand why you would ask me that question. First of all, I am not drunk all the time so how would I know? Secondly, my perception is that being drunk makes one dizzy, careless, slow to react, vomit, say regretful things, pass out, and wake up with a headache. Since most people do not act like this all the time, to me the answer to your question is obvious. Is your perception of being drunk any different?

Perhaps Jamesy is referring to the common experience of alcohol as a social lubricant. Maybe it's the anxiolytic effect of alcohol. My perception is that the average person has a lower level of latent anxiety/tension going on due to sensory processes and emotional feedbacks going on. At least NT's appear much less tense, less deliberate, and more fluid in their body mannerisms.



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19 Mar 2011, 11:29 am

Jamesy wrote:
Your taking what i say too litteraly. by that i mean being happy all the time and smelling the roses?


My apologies, its sometimes very difficult for me to read between the lines on these fora. I don't think NTs are happy and jolly all the time. Some people do seem to have a positive outlook on life and they always seem to be happy, but in my experience they're a minority. There are a lot of miserable people in the world.



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19 Mar 2011, 2:33 pm

I'm a self-diagnosed teenage aspie.

My view of the world has been quite simple but complex at the same time since an early age.
I've always felt that everyone is confusing and nasty and odd, and that I'm the only pure one.

I think my world is better, and prefer being in that one. The outside world to me is turmoil and death and deliberate aggravation.


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26 Mar 2011, 9:43 am

Hello everyone:) I am steve. I also am within the spectrum. I just educated myself and found this out 31 days ago. I have been labeled and called many things, crazy, bipolar, ocd, addict. I have always accepted these words due to never having known of autism or the spectrum. I listened to "doctors and such" now I know them as NTs. I have allowed the sharp world to hurt me over and over inside since I have always been "wrong" or broken. I never believed inside but it has been a struggle with family, friends trying to kill me with love and kindness to "fix" me.

This is my first post. I am male 5-7 185 father husband friend

I am a Warrior and member of a team
I am disciplined, physically and mentally tough, trained and profficient in my Warrior tasks and drills
I am an expert and a professional
I am a guardian of Freedom and OUR way of Life
I am honorable
My wife says I am fearless - I am not.
I am couragous - my definition is I am terrified of almost everything and put myself in front of any type of danger, verbal, mental, physical, you name it and I will take it so another of my Team does not have to
I am committed to you, my new community of humans
I am now Proud to be part of your team, I have never been more proud in my life.
I am no better friend or worse enemy

Raised by single parent, mom, 13 new schools before I graduated high school. only child, new kid everywhere, very small and scared, i know why now. I am now couragous, not much scares me anymore after 41 years of solitude and pain from NTS well intentioned or not.
I am here to PROTECT and SERVE. I will meet some of you in person, I am soo deeply involved in this community in my local area, seattle washington. If you see me and do not know me, 9.9 people out of 10 will not xxxx with me due to my physical appearance and energy vibe i give off. bad people really do not feel comfortable around me and they should not.

I know my purpose and mission. My wife runs an enrichment center for "normal Kids" and I have brought in support groups for parents of children within the spectrum. I feel pain and hurt like any human does, it will not deter me. If I can help one little person feel better for one second of their life, OOOHHHAAA I win! I lead and help by example. most look at me and think, holy s**t, bettter not mess with that guy!

what a silly thought. If i was smaller or a girl or whatever they might consider it. This is my flight or fight to survive in a world of cruel spirits. I am no longer a little scared boy on the outside.
I am also me - I am the kindest,most generous and gentle soul I hve ever met. I anxiously await the meeting of one who is kinder. I look like someone who has no feelings or emotions, or if i do , i want to kill and cause mayhem.

who needs help, who would like to chat on the phone, anything. I am a new member of the team but have always been here just on the outside. i am now HERE. I dont care if i offend anyone, since I am done caring about things like that. All my intentions are pure and honorable. If someone does not like it, cool, walk away, we can agree to disagree but I no longer allow NTs to be mean to me or anyone around me. They listen to me and stop. I am very persuesive in many ways
I am not a good speller

I am not crazy and would love to chat live with anyone affected by this. 425-647-7319 is my work cell. I work all the time, i am on a different time zone than most. I have more hours in the day that i am productive. i know this is long but hello all, the world is starting to change. It will be safer for us but in my mind, safer and kinder for my children.
I love all of you:)

what do i do? I serve and protect the weak and innocent and live honorably. My father died in Vietnam, i never met him but I am sure he did not want to die or go to war, he did both for honor. I keep that tradition alive by living right. I am part of the Armed Services for the United States of America. I dare anyone to call me retarded now:) at least with negative tonality.



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26 Mar 2011, 11:33 am

Now that was an interesting post. Although I clearly haven't gone as far as you have, I see what you have going as a winning strategy. Though I'm not as gung ho about it I can see the idea of turning it around, turning fear into determination. What you have done is create a Warrior program to live inside when dealing with the outside world. Which is not to say I'm calling it fake or a charade in any way. It's the real you, but it's a you that sets your weaknesses aside and reinforces your strengths.

I have done the same thing in a way, but only for situations where I feel threatened. I have what I call the James Bond program, when the fecal matter contacts the rotating blades it seems to take over and suddenly stomp a lid on my anger and fear. Instead of trying to overcome a fight or flight reflex I'm suddenly cool and calm and focused like a laser on whatever I have to do to walk away from there in one piece. And whatever I have to do includes intimidating NTs into leaving me alone. This can be done and it makes you feel like a king the first time you pull it off. You seem to have learned this well.

I'm not sure exactly where it came from though. I know I was reading Robert Jordan's Wheel of Time where Lan, the ultimate warrior, was saying that allowing anger and fear to control you in battle would kill you. He talked about the Flame and the Void, about staring into the flame and taking your emotions one by one and feeding them into it until nothing is left but the Void, no fear, no anger, just pure focus on the situation in front of you. This seemed like very good advice to me. And of course Robert Jordan was a warrior, he should know. I experimented with trying to do that for a while, didn't really seem to work. But sometime later I got into a scary situation and suddenly James Bond showed up and bunted me aside. The problem is I don't know if I can trust it to always show up. Best not to get overconfident.



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26 Mar 2011, 12:12 pm

"View" is shaped by infinite factors: conditioning since birth, life experiences, environment, genetics, epi-genetics, relationships, biology, consciousness.

It's impossible to sum up one's view.

I think Tony Attwood was just stating the obvious about the human condition.

I understand why we use such categories as "NT" and "Aspergers" but I still find them annoying when applied to perception and view.


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26 Mar 2011, 12:14 pm

steveghio - we need to get you your cape. And maybe sidekick. Superheroes really do need a good sidekick. :)



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26 Mar 2011, 2:26 pm

Hmmmm. What is my worldview like as an NT... That's actually a harder question to answer than I thought it would be when I hit "reply"!

I see the world as a sea of opportunities. I like my job and I try to find ways to challenge myself and keep it interesting. (I'm a network engineer). This also gives me a chance to present useful things to my employers, which in turn hopefully gets me raises and promotions. I (much like many aspies actually) have things I get very obsessed with and study - until I feel I've mastered them - and then I move on to something else. I always look for ways to learn and grow.

I don't have a huge social life, but I do value the friendships I have.

As far as "big picture" stuff goes, I feel like a frustrated idealist at times - I wish the world was a pseudo-socialist utopia, but I understand and accept it never will be. Looking at the world and its politics and trying to understand people's motives fascinates me.

I am very direct with people, and very good at reading them - I guess you'd say I'm a good judge of character and not easily deceived by facades. I have a good sense of when to pretend to be duped and when to call someone out - and I consider that to be a primary skill to accomplishing my goals in life.

I try to be a confidant and trustworthy friend to anyone that needs it.

Can't really think of what else to say. :)



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26 Mar 2011, 3:59 pm

I think the differences in how we view the world are much deeper down than just our opinions about life. (Anyone can have any opinion about life, after all, you don't have to be autistic or nonautistic to have an opinion or a worldview.)

The ways that autistic and nonautistic people view the world differently go down to the level of perception and cognition. For instance, autistic people tend to have less (not none, but less) filtering going on of sensory information. So we're more likely to see what's there rather than what our brains tell us is there. But that's still a matter of more likely, not absolutely likely. And little tiny things like that about perception, they all add up so that on the more obvious conscious level, there are even more major differences. But none of them are easily described in terms of "worldview".


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26 Mar 2011, 6:49 pm

Jamesy wrote:
It mentions in Tony Attwoods book that people with AS view the world much differently than non autistic people. I know even amongst non autistics it can varey as well.

It would be nice in this thread if i could get some input from NTs as well as Aspies on how they view the world to give me an idea............

My theory is that people with AS view life and the world in a much more colorful way than NTs do.

I view the world as a place I would like to see and travel across.



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26 Mar 2011, 7:24 pm

In the UK we have shops that sell fried potatoes, NT's call them "chip shops" for me this was a problem, because I looked for several years for a "chip shop" but could not find one. I finally worked out that "chip shops" don't actually exist, they are called Fish bars. I concluded that NT's are reality blind. Of course I had taken chip shop too literally not realising that NT's use what I think of as emotional colloquialisms, which gives some sort of group pleasure to NT's kinda like "mmmm chip shop" (learnt from homer simpson). NT's pick these things up easily, I think ASD individuals struggle with it.



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29 May 2011, 1:37 pm

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A lot of the posts on WP seem to be about difficulties with social interaction. From what I read on here I would definately say that social interation is much easier for me. I read social cues well and even if I am put into a new situation I can generally figure out what is expected of me fairly easily


Same here. The only social part I struggle with mostly is verbally standing up to other people when they pick on me. Instead I'm too forgiving and sweet. I hate that.

But I don't get it. How can somebody view the world differently to another person? How many ways are there to view the world? I view the world as green grass, blue sky, sunshine, moonlight at night time, snow in the winter, sunshine in the summer, rain in the spring, wind in the autumn, but possibilities for weather to vary and not stay seasonal, and....that's about it for the world's nature, not forgetting all the insects, animals and people.
I understand how money works and why we have money, and I understand all the concepts of reality and how NTs work and how people should be generally and the way law and order is prohibited. And the only things I don't understand is the same things other people don't understand, like the way the government is running this country and so on.


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29 May 2011, 1:40 pm

There's a sort of jagged beauty to the world.


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