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NeantHumain
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26 Mar 2011, 1:34 pm

Would you elect a fascist government in return for a guarantee of full employment? Let's say in the United States, this would mean the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party pushing out those who are not ideologically pure enough from their party; from there, they legislate a crime of liberalism, removing the bulk of the Democratic opposition and some Republicans resisting the new order; a powerless Blue Dog Democratic rump remains in Congress. Command-in-Chief Glenn Beck (he prefers that title over President) vows to rid the land of Muslims, illegals, gays, and atheists. Paramilitary neighborhood watch groups/shock troops enforce fascist order by destroying stores operated by Muslims, Hispanics, gay people, and non–Judeo-Christians. "Bureaucratic red tape" like laws against discrimination, safety and consumer-protection laws, and environmental-protection laws are repealed; taxes are lowered; and now that the government is sufficiently right-wing for their tastes, the corporations begin hiring again, allowing the guarantee of full employment to materialize (the Chamber of Commerce backed the fascist coup, after all). People are obligated to register with a local church and a local chapter of the Tea Party and participate in its rallies and education on the Constitution.

Would this hypothetical scenario be worth it in exchange for full employment?



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26 Mar 2011, 1:54 pm

No.



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26 Mar 2011, 1:57 pm

No and this seems like a cheap excuse to attack the right. The promise of guaranteed employment is more like a commie thing. What a ret*d question, you really expect anyone in the right mind to say yes?



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26 Mar 2011, 1:58 pm

I'd rather have freedom in a s**t country than security in a totalitarian one.


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26 Mar 2011, 2:14 pm

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I'd rather have freedom in a sh** country than security in a totalitarian one.
Exactly. Security serves to secure freedom rather than secure insecurity.



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26 Mar 2011, 2:29 pm

I think you have a poor understanding of what fascism is but no, I value freedom over employment and everything else.



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26 Mar 2011, 2:42 pm

I'd have to say "No". Full employment isn't that valuable. Now, let's just say that WW3 is devastating the earth. There is a bunker, but it is full of fascists, would you join them if it meant survival, and, as much as it would violate my principles, I might agree to join them.



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26 Mar 2011, 3:48 pm

Full employment is just the first thing that popped into my head given the slow recovery, and yes, a communist government would be more likely to promise this. Is there any other social gain you'd take in exchange for fascism?



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26 Mar 2011, 3:54 pm

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Full employment is just the first thing that popped into my head given the slow recovery, and yes, a communist government would be more likely to promise this. Is there any other social gain you'd take in exchange for fascism?
None. What do you expect anyone to say?



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26 Mar 2011, 3:59 pm

There is a catch with totalitarian Command Economies. Yes, everyone has a job and gets paid a wage. Problem is very little of what people want to buy is available at the stores. This is exactly what happened with the late and unlamented Soviet Union, a clear example of Red Fascism. In Germany after Germany ran out of countries to loot, the German workers found little to buy. Eventually there was little food to buy.

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26 Mar 2011, 4:16 pm

Full employment was a political goal of both the British Conservative party and the British Labour party up until the 80's. Then Monetarists decided they needed a big pool of unemployed ,both to keep wages low and crush the power of organised Labour. Now they have moved to a policy of blaming the unemployed themselves for the huge structural unemployment in western economies that they, the rich, created.



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26 Mar 2011, 4:40 pm

Those who tread on the path of a totalitarian Command Economy will have neither prosperity nor liberty.

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26 Mar 2011, 5:16 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Those who tread on the path of a totalitarian Command Economy will have neither prosperity nor liberty.

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Job creation and totalitarian Command Economy are not exclusively related. It is easier to create jobs in the public sector though.



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26 Mar 2011, 7:12 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Would you elect a fascist government in return for a guarantee of full employment? Let's say in the United States, this would mean the Tea Party wing of the Republican Party pushing out those who are not ideologically pure enough from their party; from there, they legislate a crime of liberalism, removing the bulk of the Democratic opposition and some Republicans resisting the new order; a powerless Blue Dog Democratic rump remains in Congress. Command-in-Chief Glenn Beck (he prefers that title over President) vows to rid the land of Muslims, illegals, gays, and atheists. Paramilitary neighborhood watch groups/shock troops enforce fascist order by destroying stores operated by Muslims, Hispanics, gay people, and non–Judeo-Christians. "Bureaucratic red tape" like laws against discrimination, safety and consumer-protection laws, and environmental-protection laws are repealed; taxes are lowered; and now that the government is sufficiently right-wing for their tastes, the corporations begin hiring again, allowing the guarantee of full employment to materialize (the Chamber of Commerce backed the fascist coup, after all). People are obligated to register with a local church and a local chapter of the Tea Party and participate in its rallies and education on the Constitution.

Would this hypothetical scenario be worth it in exchange for full employment?


Sure it would, especially if I can be the commandant of the political re-education camp they send you to...........

Post questions without such irrational content.



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26 Mar 2011, 7:51 pm

jamieboy wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Those who tread on the path of a totalitarian Command Economy will have neither prosperity nor liberty.

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Job creation and totalitarian Command Economy are not exclusively related. It is easier to create jobs in the public sector though.


In a totalitarian system there is no private sector. Everything is public by default. The State is all.

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26 Mar 2011, 9:02 pm

ruveyn wrote:
jamieboy wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Those who tread on the path of a totalitarian Command Economy will have neither prosperity nor liberty.

ruveyn


Job creation and totalitarian Command Economy are not exclusively related. It is easier to create jobs in the public sector though.


In a totalitarian system there is no private sector. Everything is public by default. The State is all.

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Not true. The German Nazi economic model was not all that different from a normal mixed-capitalistic model. Businesses still had the freedom to operate as they pleased so long as they didn't do anything to oppose the Nazi regime. The contingent of the Nazi party that supported socialist policies was completely purged as Hitler gained power. Though far from being a liassez-faire capitalist, Hitlar was very pro-business.